Keyblade21 Posted: 00:40 Mar22 2011
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Should the Christian religious festival of Christmas be celebrated in public? Or should we be careful to avoid giving offense to those of other faiths, or of no faith, at this time of year?
sphynxx Posted: 01:12 Mar22 2011
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Honestly, who gives a crap.
Two words should not make an ounce of difference. If the thoughts & feelings behind them are of happiness, peace & what have you, then what difference does it truly make if someone greets you with "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Holidays"? they both signify in some way a person wishing you peace, happiness, good holiday spirit etc.
Some people will never be happy unless EVERYTHING is their way. And even if it were, they'd complain that other people don't like it D;
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Two words should not make an ounce of difference. If the thoughts & feelings behind them are of happiness, peace & what have you, then what difference does it truly make if someone greets you with "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Holidays"? they both signify in some way a person wishing you peace, happiness, good holiday spirit etc.
Some people will never be happy unless EVERYTHING is their way. And even if it were, they'd complain that other people don't like it D;
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Volke Posted: 05:30 Mar22 2011
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There was a big thing in the UK going on about this last Christmas. Migrants of ethnic minorities were whining about how 'Merry Christmas' should be replaced by 'Happy Holidays' because there is no religious value in the term 'Happy Holidays'. However, Christmas is a Christian holiday, and the UK is a Christian country. So, not only should these people not be celebrating Christmas to begin with, but they're in a Christian country telling us to remove the religious value from the most important holiday of our religion.
That's what I don't like about some migrants. They march into our country acting as if they own the place, and expect us to respect their beliefs and cultures when they're not respecting ours. Plus, the government is too nice to them regarding these issues.
In my old school, which is Catholic, they apparently banned the handing out of cards that said 'Merry Christmas' on them - they only allowed cards saying 'Happy Holidays', or anything to a similar effect. Ludicrous! And in a Catholic school, of all places!
The only real counter-argument is that religion isn't really that important anymore, but I believe that we should remember the religious meaning behind the holiday.
That's what I don't like about some migrants. They march into our country acting as if they own the place, and expect us to respect their beliefs and cultures when they're not respecting ours. Plus, the government is too nice to them regarding these issues.
In my old school, which is Catholic, they apparently banned the handing out of cards that said 'Merry Christmas' on them - they only allowed cards saying 'Happy Holidays', or anything to a similar effect. Ludicrous! And in a Catholic school, of all places!
The only real counter-argument is that religion isn't really that important anymore, but I believe that we should remember the religious meaning behind the holiday.
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Jakethesnake14 Posted: 09:45 Mar23 2011
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I agree with Sphynxx, both wish you a good day. Weather it be a "Merry Christmas" or a "Happy Holidays", just take the compliment. If you dont like it, well sorry your going to have to deal with it. Im trying to compliment you, dont be mean.
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know-your-role Posted: 13:09 Mar23 2011
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I believe that we should keep the term "Merry Christmas" as I don't see why it should be changed now, the term "Merry Christmas" has been around for ages, so why should we change it now, because other people don't like it? It's simply just pathetic in my opinion, there's always one that has to complain about it. If you don't like it, ignore it, if you can't do that simply just move to another country. Simple.
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CRAZY CHEATS Posted: 13:40 Mar23 2011
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Alfred and Volke have pretty much nailed this for me.
People just like complaining, and if they can get a lawsuit out of it, even better.
PCness in general has kind of gone insane, and this is a prime example.
People just like complaining, and if they can get a lawsuit out of it, even better.
PCness in general has kind of gone insane, and this is a prime example.
Will d (mr ramdom) Posted: 17:02 Mar23 2011
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Honestly, I don't think it matters. Both mean the same thing at the end of the day. Just depends wether or not other people are willing to take a complement that they don't use.
But personally, I say Merry Christmas. I haven't met anybody who takes any form of offence to that, and even if I did, I'd still use it. I'm not changing what I say just because some people take it too far in the way its not sussposed to be taken.
But personally, I say Merry Christmas. I haven't met anybody who takes any form of offence to that, and even if I did, I'd still use it. I'm not changing what I say just because some people take it too far in the way its not sussposed to be taken.
YoSoyJu Posted: 19:47 Mar23 2011
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Well, we already had this discussion here, and my views haven't really changed. If a private company wants to say "Merry Christmas" then they have that right. But don't blame companies that say "Happy Holidays" instead just because it is more inclusive.
And as for the "Merry Christmas has been around forever" argument, remember that Christmas is just a pagan festival celebrating the solstice repacked to add in Jesus. So that really doesn't fly.
And as for the "Merry Christmas has been around forever" argument, remember that Christmas is just a pagan festival celebrating the solstice repacked to add in Jesus. So that really doesn't fly.
sphynxx Posted: 22:52 Mar23 2011
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Just about every major "christian" holiday is derived in some way from some Pagan festival anyway lol.
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Keyblade21 Posted: 03:37 Mar24 2011
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Sorry mate, didn't see that
Volke Posted: 07:32 Mar24 2011
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The reason behind it is that when Western Europe was Catholicised, the people began to worship it instead of Paganism. However, numerous Pagan traditions, in addition to all kinds of superstitions and beliefs, merged into the original Catholicism.
It isn't entirely true with Christmas, as December 25th is the estimated date that lies exactly in the middle of all possible dates Jesus could have been born on (nobody knows when, exactly, Jesus was born, only a period of around four months in which he would have been born in).
However, as the date is so close to the Winter Solstice, the early ex-Pagan Catholics merely moved a few days backwards to celebrate the birth of Jesus instead. Christmas dinner is a prime example. If I'm correct (please tell me if I'm not), Christmas dinner actually originates from a feast that Pagans would hold on the Winter Solstice.
(I'm actually a University History student and I studied the origins of the Medieval depiction of Catholicism very recently in an essay)
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