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RED BARRON

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Posted at: 27-Jan-2007 06:00:29 Post ID: 1321426
this is for fire red by the way

Charizard lvl 100
flamethrower
return
aerial ace
earthquake

Vctreebel lvl 100
sludge bomb
magical leaf
growth
solar beam

nidoking lvl 100
rock slide
iron tail
brick break
thunderbolt

scizor lvl 100
double team
toxic
silver wind
steel wing

Dragonite lvl 100
dragon claw
surf
ice beam
hidden power(water)

i am looking for a sixth member for my team, any suggestions







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Posted at: 27-Jan-2007 06:21:05 Post ID: 1321432

On 27-Jan-2007 RED BARRON said:
this is for fire red by the way

Charizard lvl 100
flamethrower
return
aerial ace
earthquake

Vctreebel lvl 100
sludge bomb
magical leaf
growth
solar beam

nidoking lvl 100
rock slide
iron tail
brick break
thunderbolt

scizor lvl 100
double team
toxic
silver wind
steel wing

Dragonite lvl 100
dragon claw
surf
ice beam
hidden power(water)

i am looking for a sixth member for my team, any suggestions






Charizard: I advise you replace Return with Dragon Claw. Charizard's Special Attack is a lot higher than his Attack. Unfortunately though, his special movepool is very limited.

Victreebell: Replace Growth and Solarbeam with Swords Dance and Sleep Powder. Victreebell has high Attack power, and SLudge Bomb is a pretty good move. Swords Dance will sweeten the deal. Sleep Powder is always useful. Magical Leaf can stay as it has its uses (and STAB).

Nidoking: Keep Rock Slide, replace the other three with Shadow Ball, Sludge Bomb and Earthquake. Earthquake and Sludge Bomb for STAB. Shadow Ball kills Psychics, which are a threat to Nidoking's existence.

Scizor: Replace Double Team and Toxic with Aerial Ace/Wing Attack and Swords Dance. He is a good physical sweeper, just avoid Fire pokémon.

Dragonite: OKay, Dragonite loses itself with a Special set. With all that lovely Attack power he should be physical. Replace all the moves with Dragon Dance, Wing Attack/Aerial Ace, Earthquake and Rock Slide.

For a sixth pokémon, go for an Electric type.


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Posted at: 27-Jan-2007 08:59:46 Post ID: 1321590
Your team is good and well balanced. You should add a water type.

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Posted at: 27-Jan-2007 11:50:37 Post ID: 1322059
He doesn't necessarily need a Water type. He needs an Electric type more.


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Posted at: 27-Jan-2007 11:58:48 Post ID: 1322075
im agreeing with steelersrock01 he needs a water type

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Posted at: 27-Jan-2007 12:17:45 Post ID: 1322126
Ok let me take a shot at this...your team DOES look decent but I agree with Volke. I think you need an electric type. Plus I thought Dragon Claw was a physical move, not special. Drasgonite DEFINATELY needs a phys. move set. I like Dragon Dance,Earthquake,Double Edge,Rock Slide for him. If you want a good Elec. Type IMO the 3 best are Zapdos, Raichu, and Magneton. here are 3 good movesets for them if you choose one of the above.

Raichu magneton Zapdos
Thunderbolt Thunderwave Thunderbolt
Surf Toxic Hidden Power - Ice
Substitute Double Edge Rest
Focus Punch Thunderbolt Sleep Talk

Hope this helped a bit for you. As for a rating? I'm gonna say about a 7/10. I hope you'll rate mine in the future.

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Posted at: 27-Jan-2007 12:27:08 Post ID: 1322149

On 27-Jan-2007 XD002 said:
Ok let me take a shot at this...your team DOES look decent but I agree with Volke. I think you need an electric type. Plus I thought Dragon Claw was a physical move, not special. Drasgonite DEFINATELY needs a phys. move set. I like Dragon Dance,Earthquake,Double Edge,Rock Slide for him. If you want a good Elec. Type IMO the 3 best are Zapdos, Raichu, and Magneton. here are 3 good movesets for them if you choose one of the above.

Raichu magneton Zapdos
Thunderbolt Thunderwave Thunderbolt
Surf Toxic Hidden Power - Ice
Substitute Double Edge Rest
Focus Punch Thunderbolt Sleep Talk

Hope this helped a bit for you. As for a rating? I'm gonna say about a 7/10. I hope you'll rate mine in the future.

About Dragon Claw, you are both right and wrong. In Fire Red, it isn't a physical move. Dragon moves counts as Special Attacks. In Diamond and Pearl, Dragon Claw becomes a physical move. Double-Edge would be good if Dragonite had Rock Head.

Anyway, I like your movesets for those three pokémon. Although I would say Hidden Power [Ice] would be a more preferable move for Magneton instead of Double-Edge, this isn't Netbattle, so Double-Edge works okay.


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Posted at: 27-Jan-2007 12:54:41 Post ID: 1322209
Raichu's set is fine. Magneton's isin't. Uh Double-Edge? That sucks to hell on Magneton, he has poor Attack. Get Hidden Power[Fire] to hurt things like Fortress(a common Spiker who is 4x weak to Fire). Substitue over Toxic. Zapdos is fine, for what you suggested.

Anyway, Volke is one of the few people that I see these days who has at least half a brain to know how to rate things properly. Read the Pinned topics people.

Now, my objections to what you posted Volke:

Charizard: BellyZard with Sub pwns, I see not much of a need to waste Dragon Claw on him:

Belly Drum
Substitue
Earthquake
Flamethrower/Return(Flamethrower is more reccomended)

Or you can use this set:

Dragon Dance/Swords Dance
Aerial Ace/Hidden Power[Flying]
Hidden Power[Grass]/Rock Slide/Earthquake
Fire Blast/Flamethrower

Or go Special Attacking:

Substitue/Sunny Day
Hidden Power[Grass]/Hidden Power[Ice]
Fire Blast
Focus Punch

Victreebell: No objections.

Nidoking: Again, fine. However, the only time you're going to get a shot at a Psychic type is a switch in, which on a In-Game team never happens.

Scizor: Nah:

Swords Dance
Agility
Baton Pass
Silver Wind

Not much you can do with Scizor. However, you Swords Dance, and use Agility, you can Baton Pass that forward to Charizard, and boom, you got sweepage without using Belly Drum. Don't Baton Pass to Charizard if you're going to use the Special attacking set, you're only Physical attack is Focus Punch, and wasting a in-game turn using Sub isn't fun.

Dragonite: I object to suggesting Wing Attack:

Dragon Dance
Hidden Power[Flying]/Aerial Ace
Rock Slide/Earthquake
Thunderbolt

You could also not use Thunderbolt and use Earthquake.

My rating is 7/10. You have a very nice team, but poorly when it comes to sets.


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Posted at: 27-Jan-2007 13:25:29 Post ID: 1322277

On 27-Jan-2007 EspeonDude_ said:
Raichu's set is fine. Magneton's isin't. Uh Double-Edge? That sucks to hell on Magneton, he has poor Attack. Get Hidden Power[Fire] to hurt things like Fortress(a common Spiker who is 4x weak to Fire). Substitue over Toxic. Zapdos is fine, for what you suggested.

Anyway, Volke is one of the few people that I see these days who has at least half a brain to know how to rate things properly. Read the Pinned topics people.

Now, my objections to what you posted Volke:

Charizard: BellyZard with Sub pwns, I see not much of a need to waste Dragon Claw on him:

Belly Drum
Substitue
Earthquake
Flamethrower/Return(Flamethrower is more reccomended)

Or you can use this set:

Dragon Dance/Swords Dance
Aerial Ace/Hidden Power[Flying]
Hidden Power[Grass]/Rock Slide/Earthquake
Fire Blast/Flamethrower

Or go Special Attacking:

Substitue/Sunny Day
Hidden Power[Grass]/Hidden Power[Ice]
Fire Blast
Focus Punch

Victreebell: No objections.

Nidoking: Again, fine. However, the only time you're going to get a shot at a Psychic type is a switch in, which on a In-Game team never happens.

Scizor: Nah:

Swords Dance
Agility
Baton Pass
Silver Wind

Not much you can do with Scizor. However, you Swords Dance, and use Agility, you can Baton Pass that forward to Charizard, and boom, you got sweepage without using Belly Drum. Don't Baton Pass to Charizard if you're going to use the Special attacking set, you're only Physical attack is Focus Punch, and wasting a in-game turn using Sub isn't fun.

Dragonite: I object to suggesting Wing Attack:

Dragon Dance
Hidden Power[Flying]/Aerial Ace
Rock Slide/Earthquake
Thunderbolt

You could also not use Thunderbolt and use Earthquake.

My rating is 7/10. You have a very nice team, but poorly when it comes to sets.

That might be taking things too seriously. Forretress doesn't appear in Fire Red, or at least I don't recall ever encountering one. I think he suggested Double Edge because of Magneton's poor Attack power.

I'll take that as a compliment. I have had rating experiences in the past and know how to build great teams in-game. I also have some vague Netbattle experience, although I avoid rating those teams unless I'm absolutely sure of what I'm doing.

Charizard: For the Bellyzard set, I suggest Aerial Ace instead of Flamethrower or Return (Return is overrated in my opinion, Body Slam is better) to take full advantage of the Attack boost. As for the Dragon Dancing set, I have no problems, although I would go for a physical move for the third slot (probably Earthquake, for the Electric types, Rock types stop him cold anyway even with HP [Grass]). Special Attacking set is fine.

Nidoking: He asked for Elite Four help, unless I'm mistaken (my apologies if so, I am very tired). Shadow Ball will help a great deal against Agatha and Lorelei's Jynx.

Scizor: I like my physical sweeper version. Yours works well, but you have to be careful with the switch in. You're not Baton passing defences, so that Scizor is best used to Baton pass onto something like Metagross.

Dragonite: Wing Attack is basically Aerial Ace with more PP but can have accuracy reduced. Flamethrower or Fire Blast can be an alternative option to Thunderbolt too. Although I do recommend using Thunderbolt more since most Ice Beam carriers are Water or Water/Ice anyway.

I believe that my post quota has exceeded. If you reply I will reply back tomorrow, or something like next Friday. Of course, I hope we can understand that we both have our rating qualities (I would probably say yours exceed mine).


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Posted at: 27-Jan-2007 13:56:08 Post ID: 1322327
Well, Maggy with HP Fire beats:

Opposing Magneton's.
All Steel types(you better use Sub first or you're screwed)
Grassers that can't do anything
Skarmory.
Mainly anything that is weak and can't do anything to it. So you got good benefits, but you do have a great idea.

I can't really argue with my intelligence of the game, but if you want one that surpasses my own, ask Simple Theory.

But, I didn't notice he said E4 help, yes, use Shadow Ball, but I was being serious to what I said. It's still good.


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Posted at: 27-Jan-2007 21:32:42 Post ID: 1323227
Read the sticky, make your own topic -_-.

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Posted at: 28-Jan-2007 07:07:26 Post ID: 1323775

On 27-Jan-2007 EspeonDude_ said:
Well, Maggy with HP Fire beats:

Opposing Magneton's.
All Steel types(you better use Sub first or you're screwed)
Grassers that can't do anything
Skarmory.
Mainly anything that is weak and can't do anything to it. So you got good benefits, but you do have a great idea.

I can't really argue with my intelligence of the game, but if you want one that surpasses my own, ask Simple Theory.

But, I didn't notice he said E4 help, yes, use Shadow Ball, but I was being serious to what I said. It's still good.

I agree with all except Skarmory. Magneton traps Skarmory with Magnet Pull and uses Thunderbolt, which is stronger than HP [Fire] and as an added bonus Magneton gets it STAB.

Simple Theory, yes, this isn't the first time I have heard of him. I battled him on netbattle.....quite some time ago. And I've heard he's got quite a reputation here.

OKay.


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Posted at: 28-Jan-2007 09:07:53 Post ID: 1324013
few inconsistencies...

- ED simply stated "maggy with hp:fire", you don't have to use HP:fire on everything, besides maggy with a fire attack covers most everything

- his pokemon are all level 100, i doubt he needs any in-game help other than trainer/battle tower, which ALL pokemon appear

- aya, he edited his post, maybe i got pwnd

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Posted at: 30-Jan-2007 02:38:02 Post ID: 1327330
All these guys dont know a thing about pokemon.

Your Pokemon and move set should be:

Charizard Lv.100
Blast Burn
Rock Slide
Earthquake
Dragon Claw

Venusaur Lv.100
Frenzy Plant
Sludge Bomb
Hyper Beam
Earthquake

Blastoise Lv.100
Hydro Cannon
Blizzard
Earthquake
Skull Bash

Raikou Lv.100
Thunder
Crunch
Rain Dance
Iron Tail

Salamence Lv.100
Dragon Claw
Fire Blast
Fly
Hyper Beam

Tyranitar Lv.100
Rock Slide
Earthquake
Crunch
Thunder

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Posted at: 30-Jan-2007 11:18:12 Post ID: 1327561
please please please don't flame the idiot above me, he has not an idea what he's talking about, refrain from degrading to his level

as for you flaze: those moves are quite horrible if you're being serious... if not

lol, good one XD

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Posted at: 30-Jan-2007 17:32:14 Post ID: 1328401
Fwank...for the win! Lol.

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Posted at: 30-Jan-2007 18:28:43 Post ID: 1328634
Hey thanks for helping me and because you helped me I'll help you=).
Okay, First of all if your going to have that many psyhical attacks for Charizard he needs to know belly drum or swords dance.
vitory Bell and Nidoking together=ouch!One Alakazam or Jynx could really dish out some damage to both of these pokemon, so you might want to change at least one of them.I wouldnt recomend Scizor in any party, but if your going to keep him change his moveset.Scizor is not that fast so batime you use double team he'll be knocked out.Okay I am a master when it comes to dragon pokemon and you sir have done dragonite wrong.I would never recomend teaching dragonite surf, but if you were going to do so, why have it know a water hidden power. im sorry dude but theres way too many better attacks dragonite can learn.Personally I think you should redo your whole party most of themm share the same weakness and no offense but an Alakazam with ice,thunder,and fire punch could ko your whole party.(4.5/10)

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Posted at: 31-Jan-2007 19:45:24 Post ID: 1331242
^Biased.

Lawl at Flaze. Try calling us knowing NOTHING? *Lawl*
We actually know how to build competitive teams, use that on NetBattle, I'd be done in a matter of 10 turns.


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Posted at: 05-Feb-2007 09:20:40 Post ID: 1343120
Okay, here we go:

Charizard: Replace Return for Blaze Burn or Fire Blast and replace Aerial Ace for something physical like Hyper Beam or Seismic Toss.
Victreebel: Replace Growth for Sleep Powder.
Scizor, Dragonite, and Nidoking are okay.
I suggest an electric type like Volke said.
I would give you a 9 because you were missing one.
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