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Warrior13 Posted: 15:22 Mar22 2019 Post ID: 3447715
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No Haskins. No Lock. No Mullens. We need to tank. Those backups sound perfect for the job. ;)
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Matt77 Posted: 01:09 Mar23 2019 Post ID: 3447716
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The problem is that Fitz will probably do what he did at Tampa Bay and start hot, getting us a few wins immediately. There is more than enough talent at Miami to get more than 3 wins. If Miami wanted to tank, they should've started Falk, and placed half the team on the injury reserve for broken fingernails.

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Sanzano Posted: 02:44 Mar24 2019 Post ID: 3447719
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I don't think Miami are in the market for another quarterback this season, I get the feeling they are just going to go with Fitz and hope for a high draft pick next year. This talk of Miami now going for a rookie in the draft is just a ruse to get someone to trade up for their draft position who is desperate for one of those quarterbacks. Haskins will probably go to the Giants anyway and the Redskins will take Lock if nobody trades up with the Dolphins.

It will be interesting to see what the Raiders do though, they basically dictate how the first round will go with their selections. I think Gruden will stick with Carr for the time being and look to solidify the rest of the team before focussing on his quarterback.
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Warrior13 Posted: 20:35 Mar25 2019 Post ID: 3447720
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If I was the Raiders, I would attempt to do the following...

1) Trade #4 to the Giants for #6 & #17
Don't know if this can be done, but maybe it can be if Bosa falls to #4 and the Giants bite. I've read #1-#2-#3 could go Murray-Williams-Allen, as the Jets actually like Allen.

2) Trade #6 to the Packers for #12 & #30
This one would be more easier to do, especially if the Pack wants a one of the best Defensive Players in the draft, the same they wouldn't get at either pick.

3) Select the following players should they be available at those picks...
#12 - TE Hockenson
#17 - TE Fant
#24 - DT Lawrence
#27 - RB Jacobs
#30 - S Abram
#35 - DT Simmons
#66 - RB Montgomery

Hockenson and Fant played together in college, and their games actually complement each other. Fant is a lot like Gronk in the fact that he is a athletic freak, while Hockenson is the better overall player. Add these two with Antonio Brown, as well as the picks of Running Backs Jacobs and Montgomery, and you have a wicked awesome full of potential, even with Carr as the QB. Lawrence and Simmons would be a nightmare in the interior defensive line for the next decade, at least when Simmons recovers from his torn ACL. Abram would also help their horrendous defensive backfield.

If this could happen, the Raiders might just make the Wild Card and help the AFC West get three teams in the playoffs.
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Matt77 Posted: 21:32 Mar25 2019 Post ID: 3447721
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Yes, they should definitely attempt to make those trades. They will never happen though. Bosa will either be taken by Arizona or San Francisco. And if somehow he isn't, NY Jets have pick 3. No way NY Giants would be that stupid. They need to improve the o-line or draft a QB, and pick 6 will help with that. Pick 17 then can be used to draft whichever position they didn't with #6.

I think there's good value for Oakland to bait Washington into trading up for their pick 4 though. Washington are very keen on taking a QB in this class (with potential interest in Haskins) and they might get scared that Miami will do a 180 and choose Lock at pick 13 (assuming Haskins is taken by NY Giants at pick 6). Miami have already said they are going to stockpile picks, so they won't be trading up. It's unlikely, but Arizona, Oakland, NY Giants, and Miami could all get involved and reach for QBs. I get the vibe that Washington don't want a rebuild; they're ready to contend now.

Oakland could potentially have picks 15, 24, 27, 36, and 47 in the first 2 rounds.

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Warrior13 Posted: 10:28 Mar26 2019 Post ID: 3447726
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Maybe the Raiders can sucker the Giants in by saying they will draft the QB at #4 the Giants want if the Giants don't trade with them? XD
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Matt77 Posted: 11:48 Mar26 2019 Post ID: 3447729
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Now I get you. Washington are more desperate, but anything's possible. Look how dumb Chicago were a few years ago moving up from 3 to 2.

...and the more I think about it, the more logical it sounds that NY Giants may get baited. Everyone knows NY Giants are drafting a QB sometime in this draft, and with Gruden saying that Carr is his QB, it has everyone spooked (if Gruden says something is true, it isn't, and if he says something isn't true, it is).

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Warrior13 Posted: 20:33 Mar26 2019 Post ID: 3447733
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How about this crazy Raiders Draft...

Trade #4 & 2020 3rd Round Pick for #2, and then select Bosa.
At #24, Draft Dexter Lawrence or Ed Oliver depending on if either of them are available.
At #27, should Montez Sweat fall with his slight heart condition, draft him.
Trade #35 and 4th Round Pick for #30, and then select Jeffrey Simmons.

Bosa + Lawrence/Oliver + Simmons (when his ACL heals) + Sweat = Nightmarish D-Line for next 5+ years.

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Matt77 Posted: 04:31 Mar27 2019 Post ID: 3447735
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That would be too heavily in Oakland's favour, that trade. To get to pick 2, they would need to give up probably a second round pick (current or future).

I get what you're supporting though. You think they can create an elite D-line. I think the strategy of bolstering one particular area to make it elite is spot on (I posted my suggestion about a month ago). The better teams (expect NE) tend to have one area that is dominant and that they are known for. Opposition teams (and QBs) would walk out knowing that they would be playing the fearsome Oakland pass rush.

Sadly though, Oakland will draft very boringly. Not necessary drafting badly, but they'll draft in a range of positions. Oakland don't need to rush with their drafting. No way they'll make playoffs this season, so they can prepare for 2020 and if they see talent, they can draft it now regardless of the position they play.

Can you imagine if in 2019 they make an elite pass rush, and in 2020 an elite o-line? Really, it's simple. With every pick in the first 3 rounds they draft a specific position, and with later picks or free agency they fill smaller holes like RB.

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Warrior13 Posted: 11:58 Mar27 2019 Post ID: 3447737
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They might be able to jump two slots for cheap. The Niners only got a third round pick when they switched one slot with the Bears a few years back. This would basically be the same, especially when the Niners consider the talent that will still be available at #4 OR that they could trade back further with a team that wants to leapfrog the Giants to get a QB.
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Matt77 Posted: 03:28 Mar28 2019 Post ID: 3447740
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Yeah, I remembered that, but I figured Chicago were just being dumb again, and that Oakland won't let that happen. In my mind, moving up is a big deal and teams should compensate the other well.

All I know is that there will be at least 1 trade involving any of the top 10 picks.

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Matt77 Posted: 18:29 Mar28 2019 Post ID: 3447741
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Miami just traded Robert Quinn to Dallas for a 2020 SIXTH ROUNDER!!!

Why would Miami even accept that? Anything worse than a 4th rounder is disgraceful, let alone 2 rounds behind that. Surely Miami would ask for more, and if Dallas don't comply, send Quinn somewhere else and say "screw you Dallas". I mean, Quinn is a proven starter, whereas draft picks are unpredictable. In my eyes, he is worth a third round pick at least.

This isn't rebuilding to acquire draft picks. It's just a fire-sale.

...and Philly just acquired RB Jordan Howard for a SIXTH ROUNDER as well!!! 12 months ago Howard was one of the best RBs in the game.

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Sanzano Posted: 11:00 Mar29 2019 Post ID: 3447747
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Is Jay Gruden some kind of idiot, the Redskins coach has told the press that his rookie quarterback whoever that will be is starting from week 1. Hasn't anyone told him that this rarely works, not even the great Dan Marino started in week 1 when the Dolphins drafted him in 1984. All that happens is the rookie gets bounced off the turf a few times and loses confidence and is never the same. When was the last time a rookie quarterback started from week 1 and went on to achieve elite status? I can't think of one, it would have to be in the last 20 years because before then rookie quarterbacks went through a learning curve until they were ready. Is Gruden just trying to bait other teams or is he genuinely that stupid he would risk injuring an inexperienced talented player.
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Warrior13 Posted: 13:37 Mar29 2019 Post ID: 3447748
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Matt: It was actually a good deal for the Phins. We were going to cut him anyway.

Dennis: Keenum will play all of next year. Don't worry.
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Matt77 Posted: 23:32 Mar29 2019 Post ID: 3447750
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Warrior - But what will we do with a 6th rounder next draft? I don't understand why teams even bother. Surely if Dallas (a playoff contender) wanted him, then other teams would too. I just think, for a proven player, a 6th rounder does not justify a trade. Obviously Miami were going to do it, but I mean Quinn is light years better than what a player chosen in the 6th round will be.

Dennis - Oh dear. Assuming he is telling the truth, we have a repeat of Chicago and Mike Glennon. Sure, Keenum cost much less, but why on earth would they bring in Keenum if they're going to start the rookie? And why would they publicly announce that they will be drafting a QB? All this means is teams in front of Miami in the draft will try to bait Washington into trading up. And knowing the stupidity of the Washington organisation, they may well do it.

You better hope that Washington don't select Daniel Jones. In theory Drew Lock will be available at #15, but if Miami decide to be stupid and go QB at #13, Washington will be stuck. Of the top 4 QBs, he has the worst completion percentage. It did get hurt by WR drops, but he will experience WR drops at Washington too.

We saw Josh Allen start week 1 (after having horrible completion % in college) and really struggle, but when he got injured for about a month and came back, he played much better. I would suspect it was because he had time to get used to the experience of being on an NFL team. Sam Darnold was also thrown in at week 1, and while he had a good first game, he struggled afterwards. Surprise surprise, he got injured, came back after a month, and played really well. And finally Josh Rosen was thrown to the wolves (the wolves = Arizona's o-line) in week 3 I think, and was terrible all season to be honest.

Bayer Mayfield entered the game in week 3, and lit it up for most of the season. Even those 2 and a half games as the backup could've made a huge difference. And Lamar Jackson entering at about half-way through the season. It's just a no-brainer. Remember how average Mahomes was in week 16 of 2017/18?

Carson Wentz, Dak Prescott, and Deshaun Watson are the only QBs in the past 3 drafts to succeed after starting week 1.

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Warrior13 Posted: 08:02 Mar30 2019 Post ID: 3447751
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Just gotta stockpile picks at this point for next year. The more, the better. Especially if we'll have to trade up to get Tua should we win more games than everyone expects.
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Matt77 Posted: 08:22 Mar30 2019 Post ID: 3447752
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We need to trade down to Washington's pick 15, and ask them for a 2020 3rd or 4th rounder. The hope is that Washington want Lock, and get spooked that we might pick one.

That trade would suit everyone. We need a pick. Washington need Lock.

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Warrior13 Posted: 14:22 Mar31 2019 Post ID: 3447759
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No, we need to trade down even further. As far down as possible to get a first rounder next year. That, or with the Raiders for #24 & #27. Or, perhaps one more of those picks and the Bears 2020 First Rounder that the Raiders own.

Rumors say the Giants want a pass rusher. Sounds like they want Rosen or a 2020 QB. Not so out of the question for them to trade up for Bosa now.

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Matt77 Posted: 19:12 Mar31 2019 Post ID: 3447763
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Looking at it realistically, it will be hard to trade down a long way. But if we trade with Washington, we at least get something. We need lots of 2020 draft picks, and few 2019 ones. That way after we tank, we will have a pile of picks and can bring in a fresh team.

A few days ago I set the target of 7 new quality players. We'll get 1 with our first rounder, and probably another with our second round pick. Then in 2020 we can hopefully get 2 or 3 more in. Somehow getting Oakland's 24 and 27 would be great, but it seems unlikely.

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Warrior13 Posted: 22:36 Mar31 2019 Post ID: 3447767
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It is actually close in the draft value chart. I believe it said our pick is worth like 1150 points and #24 + #27 is worth like 1400. Not outrageous at all considering the level of talent that will still be available for the Raiders at #13.

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