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Burrow: (7.07) Overview - People's champ with rags-to-riches story arc culminating in one of the greatest one-year turnarounds in sports history. He's self-assured and plays with competitive toughness that teammates will gravitate toward instantly. He's a rhythm passer who benefited from tempo and scheme, but his vision, touch and read recognition made the offense special. He buys time for himself inside the pocket, but creates explosive, off-schedule plays outside of it with his arm or legs. He throws with staggering precision and timing, but he recognizes his own arm-strength constraints and is forced to shrink the field accordingly. His 2018 tape and unremarkable physical traits could clutter his evaluation for some, but he appears to be an outlier who simply developed and blossomed beyond those evaluation concerns. He's a smart quarterback with special intangibles and could become a Pro Bowler if a team tailors its offense to his specific strengths and comfort level. Strengths - Off-the-charts football IQ and intangibles. Plays with brazen field presence and poise. Rapid ascension to chess master who can beat up coverages thrown at him. Initial field glances are often lies being told to safeties. Gets through full-field progressions with unique internal clock timed to the routes. Decisive from read to release with elite precision and placement. Stuck it into impossible windows on several occasions. Very good timing and anticipation. Throws pass-catchers away from coverage and into space. Throws with superb touch and trusts receivers to make the play. Deep dime-dropper, completing 55 percent with 24 TDs and 2 INTs in 2019. Separates from rush with deft climbs, slides and escapes. Above-average toughness in pocket and as runner. Unexpected wiggle to elude when scrambling. Makes explosive, off-schedule plays while on the move. Can deliver back-breaking runs to move the chains. Weaknesses - Polar opposite seasons in 2018 and 2019. A level of scheme fit is necessary. Below-average arm strength and average release quickness. Tends to work into more condensed areas of the field. Steep drop in accuracy on intermediate throws outside the numbers. Requires top-notch timing for out-breaking throws as a pro. Saw nose of ball dive on some throws field-side. Spotty high/low combo throws against long boundary CBs when they play it low to high. Early issues handling Clemson's disguised blitz packages. Scheme created clearer reads and easier one-on-one throws. Took sacks he didn't need to.
Tagovailoa: (6.82) Overview - Talented dual-threat quarterback with winning background, explosive production and loads of experience in high-leverage games. He may be pigeon-holed into a spread or RPO-heavy attack, but he's actually a clean fit in a pro-style attack filled with play-action and roll-outs. He has the release, accuracy and touch needed to work all three levels successfully and can become a more disciplined, full-field reader to piece the puzzle together against NFL coverages. He needs better poise when pressured, but his escapability not only moves the chains, it creates chunk plays in the air and on the ground. Teams assessing his draft value will need to sift through mounting durability concerns and decide whether he is a "face of the franchise" talent without the abundance of talent surrounding him. Strengths - Fits the mold of NFL's new dual-threat quarterbacks. Career touchdown-to-interception ratio of 8:1. Sudden ball handling on RPO plays. Active, agile feet offer quick setups and re-sets. Rare upper-body twitch allows for fast release. Willing to sit and scan from the pocket. Confident throwing to windows between hashes. Experienced reading route combinations from play-action. Throws short and intermediate with repeatable accuracy. Has arm talent to make all the throws. Eyes keep safeties out of one-on-one throws to deep sideline. Feathery soft bucket throws to the deep boundary. Play-action salesman on bootlegs and deep drops. Improvisational pocket escapes. Mobility to relocate launch point or take off to move the sticks. Weaknesses - Short in stature with mounting durability concerns. Two ankle surgeries, hip surgery, broken nose and concussion as starter. Can improve anticipatory throws and timing. Failed to recognize easy throws to developing routes. Inconsistent squaring feet to back-side reads. Constricted delivery limits zip he can put on throws. Forces open receivers to break stride more than he should. Poise in and out of pocket can be spotty. Hurries into frenetic throws with moderate pressure at times. Fails to sit and finish delivery when he's going to be hit. Needs earlier pocket slides to stay ahead of the pressure.
Herbert: (6.45) Overview - Big, talented full-field scanner able to find the right read and sling it around the yard from the pocket or on the move. Herbert rushed throws in 2018, but he showed marked improvement in that area, excluding the Auburn opener. He trusts his protection while working through coverages and route development and has big-boy arm talent and drive velocity to stress and impress defenses. He's confident attacking downfield, but touch throws evade him and may have created tentativeness with certain short and intermediate throws. Ball placement requires additional emphasis, but upgrading to NFL skill talent could help him bloom. Herbert has a high ceiling and is the most physically gifted quarterback in the draft, but he doesn't have as many "wow" plays as expected for someone with his traits, experience and potential. Strengths - Great size with filled-out, pro-ready frame. Full-field reader with experience in pro passing concepts. Operates with pre-snap plan and recognizes matchup advantages. Play-actions are bought and sold. Ball tucked near frame when scanning. Scans crisply through full slate of progressions without panic. Eyeballs deep safety, keeping him planted midfield. Played with better poise and calmer feet than in 2018. Throwing process is well-balanced, quiet and repeatable. Rocket arm can beat rangy safeties and keep tight windows alive. Able to alter arm slots to work around traffic. Fluid stride and throw rolling in either direction. Has zone-read ability and can roll downhill once he's flushed from the pocket. Put three rushing touchdowns on Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl. Weaknesses - Disappointing impact as passer over final four games. Play is more mechanical than maestro. Scouts say he leads by example but is not a commanding presence. Has issues finding touch on his tool belt. Flat throws found linebackers with interceptions/deflections. Toggles between caution and worry attacking first two levels. Uneasy challenging zone corners on high/low combos. Needs to trust his eyes and let it go in rhythm. Ball placement to lead receivers can be better. Deep shots and fades need more air under the ball. Struggles to escape sudden pressure.
Love: (6.33) Overview - Challenging evaluation for quarterback-needy teams balancing traits and potential against disappointing 2019 tape. Staff turnover and new starters across the offense are partly to blame for his regression, but self-made flaws in process were also concerns. Love's accuracy took a step back, and his delayed reaction from "see it" to "throw it" when making reads is troubling. He has the arm to stick throws into tight windows but needs better eye discipline and anticipation to keep windows open. His size, mobility and arm talent combined with his 2018 flashes could be a winning hand that leads a team into the future or a siren's song of erratic play and unfulfilled potential. Strengths - Tall in the pocket and smooth, natural thrower. Keeps ball tucked and secure while scanning the field. Tight spirals come from a variety of arm slots. Offenses built upon intermediate and deep reads/throws. Confident passer attacking between the hashes. Makes athletic pocket exits when scrambling. Good open-field vision and speed to move the sticks. Arm strength to dime it into windows. Drops deeps balls in with plenty of air and touch. In 2018, trusted big receivers to make plays on 50/50s. Arm talent and swagger to attack field side Cover 2 hole. Has access to expedited, compact release when pressured. Weaknesses - Consistency and production took massive step backward in 2019. Looping windup part of slower operation time. Too much staring and telegraphing. Six games with multiple interceptions, including three pick-sixes. Below-average decision-making against zone looks. Allowed coverage to swarm due to lack of anticipation. Unusually spotty ball placement forced targets to work for catches. Completed just 31.8 percent of his deep throws. Doesn't slide to safer launch points enough. Will void viable pockets at times. Needs to use eyes to hold safeties longer. Issues bringing in off-target snaps, leading to fumbles.
Fromm: (6.29) Overview - Heady quarterback who is light on physical traits but sees the game like a pro signal-caller most of the time. Fromm has big-game experience and proved to be a worthy challenger against Alabama as a freshman and sophomore. He's a full-field reader who has shown a consistent ability to change plays and make smart pre- and post-snap decisions. He'll be forced into becoming more consistent with timing and ball placement in order to overcome a lack of arm strength and an inability to make off-schedule plays. He's an intelligent game-manager whose range is good backup to middling starter, but he will be scheme- and skill-position-needy at the next level. Strengths - Typically unrattled in high-leverage battles. Good leader with football intelligence for the chess match. Full-field reader who values the football. Gets through progressions in clean, timely fashion. Unafraid to throw to where his reads take him. Quiet feet in the pocket. Operation time of delivery is prompt. Knows the windows and throws with some anticipation. Waits for route development in the face of pressure. Good placement on back-shoulder throws. Accuracy to target was very good in 2018. Gets rid of it rather than taking sacks or low-percentage chances. Sells out when needed as a scrambler moving the sticks. Weaknesses - Lacks premium physical tools. Arm talent and velocity are below average. Must consistently win with placement and timing. Allows release point to drop, and throws lack tight spiral. Needs pinpoint placement on tight-window throws. Receivers forced up against boundary by floaters. Disappointing deep-ball accuracy since 2018. Began missing easy throws in November. Had five-game run where he failed to complete 50 percent of his passes. Will be heavily reliant upon skill-position talent. Below-average mobility.
Eason: (6.29) Overview - His elite size and arm talent are reminiscent of Carson Palmer, but issues with pocket poise and getting through progressions cleanly are more reminiscent of Brock Osweiler. Eason is fun to watch when he's ripping throws around the field and taking deep play-action shots, but a lack of mobility inside and outside the pocket is troubling, considering his ineffectiveness when pressured. He's relatively inexperienced and should continue to develop from the pocket, but poise is hard to fix, and handling exotic blitz packages is not a given. He's a pro-style, play-action-based quarterback with average starter potential and an average backup floor. Strengths - Strapping pocket-passer prototype. Has frame and arm strength to excite evaluators. Accuracy is his working default on most throws. Can step and rip it between two levels of defenders. Velocity helps mitigate average anticipation. Arm strength to challenge secondary anywhere on field. Deep-ball accuracy on play-action shots. Alters trajectory to outpace trailing coverage deep. Big hands secure the football through contact. Willing to hold and throw through edge pressure. Disguises screen intentions. Weaknesses - Deep dropbacks hurt his pass protection. Setup for quick outs and slants takes too long. Inconsistent timing on intermediate throws. Needs to trust the route runner and avert gaze early on. Was highly ineffective under duress. Fails to expedite his process when pressure mounts. Shows tendency to drop eyes and panic against the interior blitz. Below-average escapability and running talent. Takes sacks rather than getting rid of the ball. Needs to improve footwork and discipline for full-field reads. Circles up and out of the pocket if half-field reads aren't open.
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My Ratings: Herbert #1 Burrow #2 Tua #3 Love #4 Fromm #5 Eason #6
Herbert is by far the safest pick. He has size and arm attributes, rushing ability, and heaps of college experience. Burrow is next due to his talent, but I worry about him being a one season wonder. Tua is 3rd because of his size and injury concerns. Love next because he has a very high ceiling, but could easily bust. Fromm 5th because he is almost guaranteed to have a solid career as a backup QB (quality game manager who values ball security). Eason is erratic.
However you have actually seen them play I'm guessing.
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I can't really comment on this to be honest. I haven't seen a full game on any of these players and would just be going on what I have heard experts say about them and highlight reel of Touchdowns. From what I can gather though is that Tua is by far the best of the bunch...when healthy. Apparently he has leader qualities that the others simply don't have which to me is a more important asset than having a strong arm for a quarterback. Joe Monatana and Tom Brady come straight to mind, niether had the strongest arm in the world but both led or lead their team with authority, you just know who is in charge.
That's a good possibility Warrior13, it would be good for Rosen. People forget how highly touted Rosen was a couple of years ago. He was one of the four quarterbacks that were going to set the NFL alight. In my opinion none of the four have done much to live up to he hype but Rosen like Matt says has been unfortunate to be playing for two teams with dreadful offensive lines. After seeing what Belichick did with Brady at New England and make no mistake about it Brady performed awful at the conbines it makes you wonder what he could do with a talented quarterback with NFL experience. Remember it was Belichick who groomed Matt Cassel, Jacoby Brisset, and Jimmy Garoppolo. Each of which were literally nobodies who ended up being decent quarterbacks.
Lol, I think Bucky Brooks has confused Miami with San Diego. I don't think Herbert would be there at 18 either, he'll be gone top 10. Pobably San Diego. Makes you wonder though what the guy knows to come out with that draft as he was a scout and has plenty of contacts. Just seems strange a respected analyst like that would come out with that knowing full well his reputation is on the line. The whole of the US is expecting the Dolphins to take Tua at pick 5 if he is still there. What's the latest on his medical report? Apparently that hip injury was serious, I must admit I didn't realise it was that bad. Fields and Lawerence are in the draft next year, to be honest it is getting to the point that the college system turns out two or three top prospects every year and there doesn't seem to be a shortage of decent quarterabacks entering the NFL like there once was so there is no need for the Dolphins to panic so perhaps Brooks is onto something.
That's why I said not to pay much attention to the Mock Drafts on NFL.com. They are the worst year in and year out.
As expected, the Pats were granted with even more compensatory picks, primarily to additional third round picks. They now have 14 picks this year. Not sure if they can really use the extra capital to jump in the 1st Round, since they only have one 1st Rounder and three 3rd Rounders (no 2nd Round Pick, traded it for Sanu this past season).
People wonder how the New England dynasty has lasted so long. Every season they get tonnes of 3rd & 4th round compensation picks. Even though there may be a 'formula' behind it, it's ridiculous.
Dennis, Bucky Brooks' reputation has been poor for a long time now. As Warrior said, NFL.com get it so wrong. This is the guy who said Buffalo would draft Mason Rudolph at pick 12 two drafts ago.
When I post links to NFL.com mocks, it's purely so that you can all see how bad they are. It's ok for us to get our mocks a bit wrong, but supposedly these people should be doing much better.
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I guess they have to add a bit of drama to their mocks to get people talking about possibilities. I'm convinced Miami will lose their nerve and trade up with Detroit for pick 3 to make sure nobody else takes Tua. Redskins are going Chase Young, I have no doubts now, Fields and Lawrence are available next year if Haskins is a bust. Detroit have nothing to lose, they still get their shutdown cover guy at pick 5 and get to pick again in the later half of the first round. I don't think Detroit will take anything less than two first round picks because they know the talent they are passing on with Tua.
Pick 1: Burrow - Cincinnatti Pick 2: Young - Washington Pick 3: Tua - Miami
It looks like after thinking about it more you're starting to see the draft panning out in a similar way to me and Warrior. Those 3 should be the top 3.
I think Miami will have to give up picks 5, 26 and 70 to move up to pick 3. That's not too much to lose. I just hope that Detroit don't get greedy and force Miami to give away more.
And just a reminder that the 3rd mock is due by around March 31st. Warrior said free agency will be done by then, so we'll have a better idea if what certain teams will need position-wise.
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If Miami trades with Detroit, it will be for #5, #39, and #70. They are adamant about staying put if the Skins or Lions expect anymore. Probably bluffing with the "interest" in Herbert. Again, such a trade won't go down until draft day and after the Skins have selected Young. When such a time comes, I'm 100% confident that the Lions will take #5, #39, and #70 to fall back two spots and still get Okudah. The Chargers would have to give up their 2020 1st Rounder & 2021 1st Rounder in order to make their deal better than the Phins giving up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd.
If I were the Lions, I'd still take the Phins over two 1st Rounders from the Chargers. Why? The Chargers are loaded. Adding either Tua or Herbert will make them a Wild Card Team once again should they simply not turn the ball over as much as Rivers did last year, making said pick not that great anyway. Also, the 2021 Draft isn't looking to be as great as the 2020 Draft after Lawrence and a few others. Much more depth and value in this draft, especially when it comes to OL, WRs, and DL.
Looks like the Dolphins will have to give up all three of their first round draft picks of 2020 if they want Tua. The Las Vegas Raiders are agrressively going after him, reports ae coming in that they are putting a package together that includes their No. 12, No. 19 and a 2021 2nd round pick to move up and draft Tua Tagovailoa. I think Warrior13 is right, Miami won't give up their 3 first rounders for a quarterback that is damaged goods, it wouldn't make sense for Miami who have given up so much to get those extra picks. Getting Justing Herbert, a top offensive lineman and the best running back in the draft isn't a bad consolation. It may even be better in the long run.
Still plenty of talk of Brady going to either the 49rs, Chargers, or Raiders. I think he wants to do a Peyton Manning and win a Super Bowl with another team to prove his greatness. All I do know is if it had of been Brady in the last Super Bowl and not Garrapolo the 49rs would have walked away with a victory. I have no doubt about that. I was watching film on the game yesterday and Jimmy G missed open recievers on my than one occassion. If I was a Dolphin fan I'd be hoping the Raiders pick him up to get clear the way for Tua.
Oh dear. Classic Las Vegas ignorance here. They. Do. Not. Need. A. Quarterback. I know you both agree (i think), but I'm just baffled at why they want to move on from Carr. They desperately need to use picks 12 and 19 on a WR and LB/CB. That will instantly upgrade the roster on both offense and defense. And do they really think they can outbid Miami? Even if Miami stick to what I believe the trade will be (5, 26, 70), that's only marginally worse than Las Vegas's offer. All Miami have to do is throw in one better pick and that's Las Vegas out of the race. And in the meantime, Derek Carr knows what the Las Vegas organisation think of him.
I can't see Brady leaving NE. I'd love it to happen though, as long as they don't pick up someone good in free agency. The dynasty is almost over, but not quite yet...
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Belichick has been quoted as saying that he believes the Patriots can win a Super Bowl without Tom Brady. I think the guy is mistaken, Brady is still elite when it comes to making the right decisions under pressure in must win games. That's the difference between him and someone like Jimmy G and it will be someon like that who will replace Brady if he leaves. I'm in no way a Brady fan but I have to acknowledge and respect the competitive spirit and will to win of the guy and pray that Haskins has the same qualities and is not more interested in taking selfies before a game has finished.
John Gruden doesn't like Carr, they're hardly talking. I don't know the reason why but it does not bode well for the success of the team. Carr was heralded as an upcoming star a couple of seasons ago before he got injured. He's by no means a top tier quarterback but he is a decent one the Raiders can build around. I'm with you Matt on this one. The Raiders would be foolish to give up all that capital to get Tua. Unfortunatel I just think they are stupid enough to do it, just to give the team a fresh start and a new face for their move to Las Vegas. Basically a marketing ploy to generate interest in a team that has dumped it's fans twice now in moves to other cities and needs fans. The only fans the Raiders will get in Las Vegas are tourists.
I hope Brady stays. Hate to say it since it would mean the Phins would have to continue to lose for a few more years, but I'd rather seen him stay with one team. You don't see that all that often these days when most athletes are just after more money.
Yes I agree, Brady should end his career in New England. It was sad seeing what happened to Joe Montana when he got traded to Kansas, he somehow didn't look right in a Chiefs uniform. Made you realise how great he was though, along with Marcus Allen they nearly took a joke franchise all the way to the Super Bowl.
Anybody know what's happening with Dak Prescott, is he going, is he staying? The last I heard he was offered another contract but he is still not happy with the money on the table. I don't think that guy will be happy until he is the highest paid quarterback in the NFL with guaranteed money.
I've heard conflicting reports. First Dak was offered a contract to make him the highest paid player in the league (lol). Then Dallas were going to franchise tag him. Then Dallas were once again going to pay him that money. Then they were going to franchise him. And now they're going to pay him again. It sounds like Dallas are coming back with offers and are desperate to get Dak signed on, but Dak is being incredibly greedy. If Dallas pay him the big bucks they'll have next to no cap space left, and will have to win a Superbowl very quickly otherwise rebuilding will be difficult.
Watch out. If Las Vegas are stupid enough to get rid of Carr as we think they may be, Belichick may pick him up and let Brady go. With the right supporting cast Carr can put up very good numbers for 5+ years. What I'd watch out for though is how Carr would play in high pressure situations. He's played 0 playoff games, and only lead Las Vegas to 1 playoff series.
Ugh, it still feels wrong calling them Las Vegas. Some NFL teams are pathetic with their constant moving around.
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Dak has all the power. What else are the Cowboys going to do? Draft Jalen Hurts in the 3rd? Or Love at #17? Sign Rivers or Bridgewater? Dak gonna get paid big,
Browns released Christian Kirksey a few days ago. Bills, Packers, and Raiders (among others) are already interested. If he could get healthy, he's an instant Pro Bowler.
Makes me laugh, Dallas are in the same situation that Washington were in with Kirk Cousins a couple of years ago. A decent quarterback who chokes when the going gets tough, Dallas management know Dak's limitations and are reluctant to commit to him but don't have any other really good alternate options. The Cowboys either have to pay Dak or let him go. Not sure what other NFL team would pick up a former fourth round draft pick with a cap crippling price tag. I can't see the Cowboys ever winning a Super Bowl with Prescott. I personally would move on from him and take a chance in the draft.
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