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Warrior13 Posted: 11:11 Jun04 2021 Post ID: 3454484
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I don't mind players getting paid, but I can't back a player that wants to always reset the market every two or three years and yet they have the audacity to say they want to win. If you really want to win, you would do as Brady does and take a pay cut.
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steelersrock01 Posted: 18:06 Jun04 2021 Post ID: 3454485
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Oh for sure - if you are going to be paid as the top guy at your position you also can't then complain when the team doesn't have enough space to build other positions. I think Julio has complained about the Falcons defense, or at least has implied it. Well, if he was getting paid 17M instead of 23M thats 6M to be spread around on defense. An oversimplification, but still. Players can't have it both ways.

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Warrior13 Posted: 19:02 Jun04 2021 Post ID: 3454486
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Exactly. Julio as a whole should not be making as much as he does. He has only had ten touchdowns in one year during his entire career. I know that has not always been his fault, but the Falcons were a really good team up until a few years ago which makes that a very bad stat. He also had his worst season last year by a mile, for both injuries and stats, and you have to figure his stats will continue to dip (at least after a bounce back year next season).
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Sanzano Posted: 02:04 Jun05 2021 Post ID: 3454490
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You can't knock a player for wanting to make as much money as possible during the small window they have available in their NFL career but when they hold the team ransom like Prescott and what Rogers is doing now and ruining the chances of the team becoming a winner because they want too bigger slice of the pie then I am the team's side.

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Warrior13 Posted: 09:50 Jun05 2021 Post ID: 3454493
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I am surprised Julio has not been traded yet. I am guessing the Falcons are trying to start a bidding war, but I do not know how well that would go since I cannot see them getting more than a first.
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steelersrock01 Posted: 10:27 Jun05 2021 Post ID: 3454494
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I don't think Prescott belongs in the same class as Jones. I think he's getting fair market value, and if they didn't pay him someone else definitely would've. It's hard to say if someone would've paid Julio like the Falcons did. And it's easier to replace a star WR than a top 10 QB. In today's NFL if you have an above average QB you will be forced to pay him. Other positions not so much. I'd argue the Cowboys bigger issue is Elliot's contract - his best year was his rookie year and I don't think he's gonna match that again.
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Warrior13 Posted: 12:50 Jun05 2021 Post ID: 3454497
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All of the Cowboys top earners are overpaid, but that is on the Jones. If they signed Dak a year or two ago, they could have saved close to ten million a year. They gave into Elliott when thet easily could have had similar production with a different, cheaper RB. They have done it to themselves.

If that same sense, I do not understand why some of these guys want so much in their contracts when they make as much as the do off the field. Dak has made over a hundred million in commercials and endorsements!
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Sanzano Posted: 18:22 Jun05 2021 Post ID: 3454499
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It's just greed. The NFL stars pre 90's must feel sick when they see the amount of money today's superstars get paid.

Even the lowest paid NFL player gets paid a fair amount. At the moment the lowest amount a player can get is a one year contract which pays $610,000.

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Warrior13 Posted: 20:11 Jun05 2021 Post ID: 3454501
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It's crazy when you think how much it has exploded in the last twenty years. I feel bad for all the older stars; played in the toughest eras, got their brains bashed in, and they have very little to show for it.

If I was a star these days, I would take the lowest amount possible if I was getting crazy money in endorsements. How much does one need to make in their lifetime before knowing they will never need to worry about money?
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Matt77 Posted: 01:11 Jun06 2021 Post ID: 3454503
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NFL kickers (and backup kickers even) get paid more than elite Australian athletes in their respective sports. All they have to do is kick a few FGs and PATs, and do some kickoffs. No physicality and no fitness required.

As much as I dislike him, I have to give Brady credit for the way he takes pay cuts. He realises that by taking a pay cut, the team can afford to keep other stars, or pay players what they deserve.

Just imagine if an entire team had that mindset. They would be able to attract so many good players and have an elite team, because they all took a pay cut and fell below the salary cap. Meanwhile you would have a B+ QB like Dak on $45M a year, and Zeke on whatever crazy amount he is on.

If you were an average NFL player and lets say you had a career lasting 10 years from 22 to 32 and earned $8M a year (relatively small compared to some players). Lets say you lose half through tax (not sure what the tax rates are in the US). That would be $40M of untaxed money earned through your career. Pay yourself $500K a year through your life, and it would last you 80 years if you lived to 102. Not to mention endorsements, advertisements, or investments. How do NFL players end up bankrupt by age 40?!

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Warrior13 Posted: 06:33 Jun06 2021 Post ID: 3454507
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Brady is the living embodiment of the word competitor, willing to do whatever it takes to win. He realized long ago that a hundred million is basically the same as two hundred million and adjusted accordingly. It is all about his legacy and rings at this point.
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steelersrock01 Posted: 09:27 Jun06 2021 Post ID: 3454509
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Brady also has a wife with more money than he has, FWIW.

Matt, you're roughly on the mark with tax rates, though it varies by state. Id assume most players are losing about 40-45% to tax.

There are a ton of factors at play for a lot of these guys that can be boiled down to "greed" in some perspectives. For me personally it's hard to put myself into the shoes of some guys that grew up with nothing. They finally get some money and then have all kinds of "family members" and old friends come out of nowhere needing money and support, and then pretty soon you are supporting 5 families and 3 generations of your own family and it's never enough because nobody ever taught them how to make your money make money.

Speaking generally, a guy like Brady or Christian Mccaffery or Antoine Winfield Jr or Cameron Jordan aren't going to have those same issues for a complex variety of reasons, mostly boiling down to how much money they had as a kid.

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steelersrock01 Posted: 11:08 Jun06 2021 Post ID: 3454510
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Julio Jones traded to the Titans for "at least" a 2nd round pick. Pretty cheap, gives the Titans a huge weapon next to AJ Brown and Derrick Henry, and puts them very close to AFC Contender status.

Also frees up some space for the Falcons, now they can sign their draft picks.
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Sanzano Posted: 14:14 Jun06 2021 Post ID: 3454511
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Just seen that, a good pick up for the Titans not having to give up a first round pick. The trade is pending medical so it's not quite a done deal. Makes the Titans dangerous with two decent wide recievers and the best running back in the league.

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Warrior13 Posted: 16:07 Jun06 2021 Post ID: 3454514
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Bad trade for both teams. Falcons should have gotten more than that, but I guess they refused to keep him in the NFC. I do not understand the Titans wasting picks on him either. You were a Wild Card team with Corey Davis having his best seasons since being drafted. How much better is Julio going to make you? They are still well below the Chiefs and Bills, and I still have the Browns, Ravens and Colts ahead of them. No point imo. Enjoy STILL not winning, Julio.
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Matt77 Posted: 01:44 Jun07 2021 Post ID: 3454517
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Poor trade by Atlanta. I guess this 'bidding war' was fake news. If they weren't going to get a 1st round pick, why trade?

Warrior, I disagree. Tennessee did well getting him for a 2nd & 4th. I'm not sure why they let Davis go though. Everything as a whole is a bit meh, but in isolation they made up for their mistake.

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Warrior13 Posted: 06:18 Jun07 2021 Post ID: 3454519
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It was a horrible trade for the Titans. They could've kept Corey Davis, who actually outperformed Julio last year because of his injuries, for ten million less a year. But no, they let Davis, who is six years younger than Julio, go and had to also lose a 2nd and 4th in order fill his spot. Julio is 32, so there's no guarantee he will even be the same player, especially when factoring in Ryan Tannehill is not much different than Matt Ryan. I see it as a waste of resources and draft capital. What did they gain from it? Going from 5th-7th best team in the AFC to the 4th-5th best? Trading for Julio makes no sense unless you are a team on the verge of making a Super Bowl. Much like how Julio to the Pats wouldn't have done anything, so the same for the Titans.
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Matt77 Posted: 06:59 Jun07 2021 Post ID: 3454520
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So essentially Tennessee got rid of Davis, to make room for Julio?

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Warrior13 Posted: 09:54 Jun07 2021 Post ID: 3454522
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While losing ten million (which they will have to release and restructure contracts to make up for) and two decent draft picks in the process, not to mention making the concession for a much older player.

No sense. If Bills had traded for him, it would have. If 49ers did, it would have. If Chiefs or Packers did, it would have. If Colts or Seahawks did, it would have. Not a Wild Card team.
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Sanzano Posted: 09:58 Jun07 2021 Post ID: 3454523
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Looks that way Matt, I still think Julio Jones is a good pickup for the Titans considering what they had to give up for him. How long will Ryan Tannenhill keep his job? Would the Titans replace him if a top veteran become available, or is he a serviceable game manager for the weapons he has around him.

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