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The dream scenario for Washington (and not an impossible one) is for:
Cousins to become a top 5 QB and be consistent A running game to be developed The reinvigorated defense to perform well San Francisco to finish 4-12 or lower Cousins deciding to stay in Washington after they make the playoffs
If scenarios 1-3 happen Washington have the ability to win the division and go deep into playoffs. Last season you were convinced Washington had a chance at winning the Superbowl before they had an awful home loss to Carolina.
~ Sometimes people change, but sometimes you just open your eyes & realise who they truly are ~
If the three rookies on defense perform as expected and Perine is as good as I think he will be then scenarios 1-3 look good. If Washington did win the division and say get to the NFC Championship game before being knocked out I can't see Cousins then wanting to go to San Francisco knowing he is just a game away from winning the big one with Washington. I can't see San Francisco doing much this year and like you I predict 4-12 finish which isn't the sort of place an elite quarterback with asperations of winning the Super Bowl would want to go especially half way through their career.
Not to be rude, but I can't see Washington even making the playoffs this year. They lost so many pieces this offseason, and in a tough division like the NFC East, they would be lucky to win 10 games. If they did and somehow snuck their way into the playoffs, I would have to assume they'd instantly lose in the Wild Card.
Cousins might very well be a good QB, but I see him struggling mightily this year and having to force even more balls in tight windows with both Jackson and Garcon gone. Docson and Pryor are number two options at Wideout at best, and neither of them have the pure speed that Jackson had, or even Garcon for that matter.
I keep hearing Perine's name in discussion, but let me make something clear if you don't know much about him: he ain't all that. He may have the single game rushing record in college, but NO TEAM plays D in the Big 12. He may have done an insane amount of bench reps at the combine, but when you run a 4.8 40, it kinda takes away from that. He was a fourth round prospect for a reason; he's a number 2 HB in the Pros, if that.
As for the Defensive Draft Picks for Washington... I don't see them making as great of an impact, at least not enough to offset the losses Washington had during the offseason. Allen was great value at #17, but he fell because of injury concerns and having arthritic shoulders at the age of 23. Ryan Anderson, however, was a reach in the second round, being Alabama's THIRD BEST linebacker last year. And their CB from UCLA that they drafted in the third round also has injury concerns.
Add all of this into Washington having a ton of dysfunction in the front office and the fact that most players, including Cousins (whether he'll admit it publicly or not), want out of the Redskins organization, and you have everything that makes up for another 8-8 or 9-7 year.
The odds are stacked against Washington this year, as well as next offseason with Cousins' future up for grabs.
Lol, this morning I was optomistic for the new season and even had visions of the Redskins being in the Championship game which they narrowly lose to Dallas but after reading your post I feel a bit deflated because I know deep down what you say is true. The Redskins had a good draft but the bottom line is all four top draft picks are basically damaged one way or another whether its bad shoulders or ankles and there is no big name receiver for Cousins to throw to this year which will probably reflect in his numbers. Still three months before the season starts so maybe they'll pick up a an elite reciever in free agency nearer the time. I don't think that guy Pryor from Cleveland is the answer, he was a quarterback for Ohio in college for christs sake.
I honestly wont be surprised if Cousins wins MVP. Not saying he will (it's unlikely) but if it happens it wont be a complete shock.
Cam Newton and Matt Ryan came out of no-where with their breakout seasons. By that I mean they were decent and then elite. If anyone is going to surprise the NFL this year and become elite it could be:
Brady - Already proven Taylor - Average QB Tannehill - Certainly has upside but is doubtful if he can reach the next level McCowan - C'mon Roethlisberger - Already proven Flacco - I have my doubts Dalton - Not a bad QB. Potentially a candidate Cleveland QB - Unproven and unknown Watson - First year Mariota - Too young imo Luck - Potential candidate for sure Bortles - Too soon after a poor season Carr - Already proven Smith - Getting old Broncos QB - Who knows who it will be Rivers - Getting old Prescott - Is a candidate for sure Manning - Getting old Cousins - Definitely a candidate Wentz - Too young imo Rodgers - Already proven Stafford - Potentially a candidate Bradford - Just doesn't seem good enough Trubisky - First year Ryan - Already proven Winston - Potentially but may be too far a stretch given age Brees - Already proven Newton - Already proven Wilson - Already proven Palmer - Too old Goff - Goff San Francisco QB - Who knows
So Dalton, Luck, Prescott, Cousins, and Stafford can rise up significantly imo. Of this list I'd say Andrew Luck is the best, but Kirk Cousins follows at a close second.
Your post only just showed up. Be optimistic. Anything can happen, even despite a poor start. I didn't think Miami was going to get anywhere near playoffs; an 8-8 season was a dream. Yet they finished 10-7 (9-3 in last 12 games) including a playoff game.
In all honesty 7-9 is probably accurate, but anything can happen.
« Last edited by Matt77 on May 5th 2017 »
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Perine may be slow with a 4.8 40 yard dash but look at the stat for AVERAGE yards AFTER contact of 3.4. You don't need speed if you can drag your tackler for an average of nearly 4 extra yards a carry. The guy has been described as a tank, an Earl Campbell type runner, I can't wait to see him in the pros, I bet there's a few worried 200 lb cornerbacks out there who are not looking forward to tackling him at 240 lb.
Matt77, that's a pretty good assessment of the current quarterbacks, I agree with you on all counts.
Perine is no Earl Campbell. Campbell is said to have run a 4.5, making Perine no where near that type of runner. Perine is a tumbler with pure strength; Campbell was a bulldozer with the perfect combo of power and speed, and speed turned into power.
Mashawn Lynch (4.46 40 time) is Earl Campbell esque. Adrian Peterson (4.40) is Earl Campbell esque. And, out of the incoming RB Class, only Leonard Fornette (4.50) is this.
Like I say, you may have a pick #4 RB and a pick #137 RB and the later may perform better. All that matters is drafting A player. Look what Jay Ajayi did after not being in the top 100.
Players can be totally different when they take the step into the NFL. Some will thrive, some will struggle, some will overachieve or underachieve, and some will be terrible and not last very long. You can blame it on the team you're around, but look at Jared Goff (#1 pick) and Dak Prescott (#137 pick). Dak rose to the occasion, taking the QB spot from an experienced veteran. Goff didn't even start until nearly half way through the season, and still performed woefully.
This guy Perine may be great. Washington may know things no other club does. Or he may be a dud. If so, Matt Jones and Rob Kelley are around. Gotta take a chance.
And Warrior, how do you think Tannehill will go with a full year of quality coaching? He has some great weapons at WR, a RB to take the pressure off, and an improved younger defense that should hopefully limit the number of sacks he takes. He obviously took a step forward last season but do you think he has what it takes to take that final one to become above average to elite?
« Last edited by Matt77 on May 6th 2017 »
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Unfortunately, Tannehill will digress with this horrible scheduling, and Miami will be forced to draft a QB next April. Ajayi is too inconsistent, plus he's injury prone. Outside of Landry, the WRs are underwhelming. Maybe Julius Thomas can help at tight end, but he's been nothing without Peyton back in Denver. The O-Line should be okay, but Tannehill still takes too many sacks on his own will and accord.
If Tannehill doesn't win a playoff game for Miami this year, the Phins will be moving on from his mediocrity (like KC is doing with Smith by drafting Mahomes). And since Miami WON'T be making the playoffs, you know what that means.
What? So you're saying Tannehill has no chance BECAUSE of the horrible scheduling, yet will be cut because he can't make or win a playoff in a season you say is "horrible". I see a paradox. Why doesn't he just sit on a couch this season if there's no chance of Miami making playoffs?
Ajayi is inconsistent yes, but he will still make several runs decreasing the pressure Tannehill faces. Also if he is injury prone, why did he play in every game except Wk 1 v Seattle? And once in a blue moon he will tear a game apart. The WRs being underwhelming? What are you smoking? I don't mean to be harsh, but Landry is solid (you did point that out at least), Stills is pretty good, Parker has improvement in him, and Thomas can hopefully have a good season with a new team. Compared to other teams we're good in that category.
This will be the ultimate test for Miami. If they make playoffs they are the real deal, with the chance to take massive scalps against the likes of New England, Oakland, Kansas City, and Atlanta. I'd say Tannehill just has to perform well, and Miami needs a record of minimum 7-9. It really depends. If Tannehill plays well and we still lose is it his fault? I mean look at Drew Brees at New Orleans. Have they cut him after several 7-9 seasons? No, because he performs very well.
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Sorry, Matt, but that's the NFL for you. If you don't make the playoffs and consistently win in the playoffs, your days are numbered as a QB (like Alex Smith or what was once Kapernick) since they usually take most of the blame. You're stats don't matter as much as winning, and since Tannehill hasn't won in the playoffs and his stats have barely been above average in his career thus far, he doesn't have much to stake his claim to keep his job if this year is a bust.
I don't mean to be harsh either, but you obviously don't see the same group of players or have enough knowledge about any of them. Up until last year, going back to even his college days, Ajayi was prone to injury (why he fell so far in the draft). Shoot, even last year he had excessive time on the bench during the games he started because he had tweeked this or pulled that. As for the WRs, ONLY Landry is good. Stills is a one trick pony that can only really run go routes, Parker has been held back by too many injuries, and Thomas has underperformed since way back in Denver. Just because you have players with some talent doesn't make you "good in that category".
Drew Brees wasn't cut because he's ALREADY won a Super Bowl AND IS A FUTURE HALL OF FAMERS WITH THE STATS TO PROVE HE'S ONE OF THE BEST EVER. A 7-9 Season will surely get Tannehill cut because he no where near has the stats Brees does AND he doesn't have a historically terrible defense like the Saints do to back him up.
If Miami cut Tannehill then they need to cut Moore too. You can't have it both ways. That would lose Miami a decent QB, and possibly the best backup in the league. And then they'd go to the draft and take a chance? If they don't find a good QB they are finishing 5-11. I'd rather have Tannehill getting us 7-9 to 10-6 seasons than taking a chance on a QB, if we can even get one.
I sure as hell hope you are wrong. It's been nice to see Miami doing well.
« Last edited by Matt77 on May 7th 2017 »
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Why would you need to cut Moore? He's a great backup who mended the fort after Tannehill got hurt. Just because Tannehill isn't the best doesn't mean you jump ship and cut your entire QB Roster. XD
If we have a bad year, Tannehill's tenure is done. If not at the end of this upcoming year, then at the end of the following year so the QB we draft can sit and learn from Moore. The writing is on the wall, and Tannehill knows it.
I'm saying if you cut Tannehill you have to cut Moore or it's not fair. Tannehill is the better QB imo, and he's younger.
Also what I'm saying is if we have a 'bad year' what will our draft pick be? Pick 13? And if next year has such a rich QB pot, won't they all be taken before we have a chance?
I'm quite liking this banter :p
« Last edited by Matt77 on May 7th 2017 »
~ Sometimes people change, but sometimes you just open your eyes & realise who they truly are ~
Yeah look how Los Angeles Rams turned out after trading. 1-11 in their last 12 games (their only win featured 0 touchdowns) and Goff going 0-7 in that period. Case Keenum was 4-5. And after all that, they had no first rounder in the draft (#5 pick gone).
I still can't understand why Miami would keep Moore as backup over Tannehill when he is the better player. Makes absolutely no sense. It's like if someone asked you whether you'd like $10,000 or $12,000 with no catch. Would you take the $10,000?
If what you say happens hopefully Tannehill gets a second chance and as much as I wouldn't like the result, hope he tears Miami apart in a game. That system seems so brutal and unfair. Lets hope for a miracle, that he passes for 400 yards and 5 touchdowns with 0 intercepts in Week 1 against Tampa Bay and sets the tone for his, and Miami's season.
Would you honestly like to start again and finish 3-13 to 7-9?
~ Sometimes people change, but sometimes you just open your eyes & realise who they truly are ~
I don't think Miami would get rid of Tannehill, not for the 2017 season at least. I thought Miami was one of those teams that was improving and starting to become a force in the AFC, getting rid of Tannenhill would disrupt that continuity. If however Tannenhill does not live up to expectations and Miami finish with say a 6-10 record they will be in the Quarterback sweepstakes next draft day when there is some great talent coming through.
As for Perine, the Washington Redskins running back, he's no Earl Campbell that's for sure. An Earl Campbell is a special talent, the only other running back I'd put in his class is Jim Brown and Bo Jackson. Adrian Peterson is more of a Walter Peyton type runner and Marshawn Lynch doesn't make the grade when compared against the aforementioned legends. Perine is just a third down short yardage type fullback and well probably be used in the same manner as John Riggins was during the Redskins heyday.
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