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Bernie had the best shot because his followers are committed, much like those that back Trump. I actually think that's why Trump defeated Hilary; Bernie's followers either didn't vote in 2016 or they went with Trump to flip the bird to the democratic authority.

Would've rather seen Trump vs Bernie anyways. Bernie would've lost because he's a socialist, but the debates would've been better. I have a conspiracy that's why the democrats are pushing this virus so hardcore, even though it's just a flu. They know Trump would murder Biden in every debate.

From what I've read/heard the Democrats desperately wanted Bernie to lose the Democratic nomination. They'd been pushing for Biden from day 1. In Iowa Bernie narrowly lost the vote to Pete, but there was talk that the votes were counted wrong to sabotage Bernie.

Maybe the Democrats have woken up and realised that out of those 4 candidates I mentioned, Biden is the most likely to lose to Trump.

How has this become a political thread?

And it can't be called a flu anymore. As of March it's expected that 29,000-59,000 Americans had died from the flu during the 19/20 flu season. At most that's 20,000 people every month. The coronavirus has killed 14,800 in almost a month
Oh my... I never realised how bad the US flu season was...
My question is, how would people know whether someone has died as a result of the coronavirus, or the regular flu? It's possible that a proportion of the deaths are actually from the regular flu and not corona, but no-one realised it.

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Yeah, they screwed Bernie twice now. All they want to do is beat Trump, and if they were smart, they would've realized that Bernie had the best shot of doing so. But no. They want to beat Trump with a pure democrat, which isn't going to happen when that candidate has dementia.

I've tried telling you the flu is bad. lol

I completely agree. My great uncle (he was over 90 years old) died in January from what appeared to be pneumonia. Who's to say it wasn't Corona? And who knows how many people haven't been tested that have had it with no symptoms and it has already passed through their immune system?

I get not wanting the casualties. But with something so unpredictable and no telling who has had it and who hasn't, you have to gone on business as usual. I'm all for the US trying to stop the spread until after May, but after that, we need to just resume our daily lives. You can only slow the spread of a virus so much. Not to sound coldhearted, but it's survival of the fittest.

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I am having hope for Australia. We reached our peak 2 weeks ago, and daily cases have been decreasing slowly. Active cases are also decreasing. Still a 0.8% mortality rate as well. Lets hope we have beaten this before Winter comes in June.

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The US is peaking at the moment, the 200K projected deaths has decreased to half of that amount. We're still less than 20K atm. I really think we'll be up and running in most areas (the ones not hit so hard) by May 1st.

The thing is that once a peak is over, it doesn't necessarily mean things get better straight away. After the peak, the people in critical condition in hospitals will continue to die. The US is either at its peak or will reach it within a week. You'll probably need to wait a few weeks after the peak to see things start improving.

In Australia our peak was 2 weeks ago, yet our daily deaths aren't decreasing. It's at a steady 1-3 people per day. Once people relatively stop dying, will be the end of wave 1. I'll be keeping an eye on it. If it takes 3 weeks here you can expect it to take 3 weeks minimum after the peak in the US.

May 1st is going to be too soon, but potentially mid-May could see things get better. I'm expecting Australia to see deaths stagnate very soon. It's been 2 weeks since the peak, and I expect it to be better after 3 weeks. Lets say the US peak is happening right now and will be over in 2 days time (13th). 13th of April + 3 weeks (at least) is May 4th; my SuperCheats 8-year anniversary lol. But I expect it to be more like 4 weeks since the US has weaker restrictions and more people than Aus. So potentially about May 11th will be when the US economy can restart.

Thus why I said most places that weren't the hardest. ;)

Obviously, Washington, New York, California and others won't be up by May 1st.

Are there border restrictions though? As in are you allowed to freely move from state to state? If so, there's nothing stopping people from the highly-infected states from traveling to smaller states.

My home state (and every state) has full border restrictions. If you want to travel into a different state, you need special permission. Heck, we're not even allowed to go far from the city. I live in the most isolated city in the world, and we're still in semi-lockdown despite the nation's peak happening 2 weeks ago.

I'm also curious, are churches still open for you? Religious people here had to have their Good Friday services on a livestream...

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I believe there are temporary restrictions for the worst hit states.

Churches have been closed for a month now.

Ouch.

In better news, Australia had just 10 cases yesterday. Looking at graphs, every main country expect the UK (with now a 12.5% death rate) are either experiencing the peak now or have just got over it.

We are too.

every main country expect the UK

Yes, I know

Based on the graphs, it would seem that the absolute peak was April 10th in the US. Daily cases and deaths have decreased slightly ever since that day. What will hopefully come next, is total active cases decreasing. That figure hasn't gone down yet, but that's step 2.

The NFL season looks safe, as long as a second wave doesn't appear. The US Open is probably in doubt unless most countries worldwide lift their travel bans by then. Four male top 12 players come from Spain and Italy.

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Yeah, the NFL and College Football should be good. I get why they did it, but other sports, especially the NBA, should've just done no fans. Everything is so messed up now.

I'm worried about the English soccer competitions. They suspended their seasons with 9 games to go (in a 46-game season) and there's talk that results may be null and void. Also lower league clubs are at risk of going bust.

I actually think it's going to be worse in the UK, if it isn't already. I don't mean total cases or total deaths. But they may not have reached their peak yet, and the mortality rate in such a western country is 12.5%! It's on par with Italy's rates. Their health care system sounds like a nightmare.

It's 9:35pm local time and we haven't had a death today. The last time that happened was 3 weeks ago. If we make it, this could be that indicator I talked about which would suggest 2-3 weeks after a peak is when a country is really settling down. Trump's May 1st deadline could sneak through if I am right.

New York is hoping to open their markets on May 1st. I think they peaked earlier than expected, but I'm not sure if they will be able to hit that mark.

There are initial signs that Spain and Italy may be on the way to recovery. 2 days ago Spain experienced a decrease in total active cases, and the same with Italy yesterday. In fact, heaps of countries are improving. Hopefully the US isn't too far behind.

Countries definitely on the downward trend:
Germany
Iran
China (already happened)
Switzerland
Ireland
Austria
South Korea
Denmark
Australia
Malaysia
Thailand
Croatia
New Zealand

Countries potentially on the downward trend:
Spain
Italy
France
Brazil
Israel
Norway
Czech Republic
Finland
Luxembourg
Greece

It hit the USA later than most countries (not surprising since in the west), so it won't be much longer now. I believe a select few states have already reopened. More will be doing so on May 1st, like my state (by all calculations).

Some US states are starting to re-open, and the US hasn't come out of the peak yet (it isn't getting worse, but it isn't getting better yet).

I'm all for easing restrictions, but a country needs to be improving before it's safe to do so. I mean, Australia has less than 1000 active cases, but is still in semi-lockdown. The US is getting thousands of NEW cases DAILY.

But whether or not isn't appropriate, Warrior you still predicted correctly, and the US even beat your prediction.