Team Rating Thread

I don't think so because it is just a move from their moveset.

Well since no one rated my team (>_<), here it is again.

Slaking
Choice Band
Adamant
6 HP, 252 Atk, 252Spd
Return
Shadow Ball
Focus Punch
Rock Slide

Blaziken
Salac Berry
Naive
52 HP, 252 Atk, 176 Spd, 30 Sp Atk
Endure
Reversal
Overheat
Swords Dance

Venasaur
Leftovers
Careful
252 HP, 84 Def, 24 Spd, 150 Sp Def
Sludge Bomb
Leech Seed
Synthesis
Sleep Powder

Jirachi
Leftovers
Careful
252 HP, 124 Def, 134 Sp Def
Doom Desire
Wish
Body Slam
Protect
This Jirachi isn't as crap as it looks like, it is actually quite good.

Suicune
Leftovers
Modest
252 HP, 122 Def, 128 Sp Atk
Surf
Roar
Calm Mind
Rest

Forretress
Leftovers
Impish
252 HP, 66 Atk, 192 Def
Counter
Explosion
Rapid Spin
Spikes

JX, most people here havent even tried NB, try Bleepland ;)

I would, but that involves clicking the favourites option then going down to the forums folder then clicking the link to Bleep's place, I'm a very busy guy.

that team = dusclops rape

surprisingly, the only thing that could screw dusclops over is that jirachi @_@ good one JX (cookies for jirachi i guess)

... *swoosh*

edit: maybe add in a special sweeper... skarmory is always a nicer albeit cliched alternative to forretress, the poor fella's crap against mcgar and cyclops... oh u cud change his moves around a bit i guess...

« Last edited by Fwank on Oct 18th 2006 »

Yeah, I could switch to Skarm, but I wouldn't have a rapid spinner and if Maggy comes in, I can atleast do 33 percent(Give or take a few) with explosion compared to being royally ******* with Skarm.

On 17-Oct-2006 RJ Fighter said:

Heh, I remember the first time I got my Blaziken I nicknamed it ShockRifle for some reason. I must have been obsessed with UT2003 at the time.

Nice work on the ratings, ND. I'd do some but I can't rate. =\

Thanks man. I don't rate much anymore though. I don't see why you don't rate, you'd probably do better than most.

On 18-Oct-2006 Jirachi X said:

Well since no one rated my team (>_<), here it is again.

Slaking
Choice Band
Adamant
6 HP, 252 Atk, 252Spd
Return
Shadow Ball
Focus Punch
Rock Slide

Blaziken
Salac Berry
Naive
52 HP, 252 Atk, 176 Spd, 30 Sp Atk
Endure
Reversal
Overheat
Swords Dance

Venasaur
Leftovers
Careful
252 HP, 84 Def, 24 Spd, 150 Sp Def
Sludge Bomb
Leech Seed
Synthesis
Sleep Powder

Jirachi
Leftovers
Careful
252 HP, 124 Def, 134 Sp Def
Doom Desire
Wish
Body Slam
Protect
This Jirachi isn't as crap as it looks like, it is actually quite good.

Suicune
Leftovers
Modest
252 HP, 122 Def, 128 Sp Atk
Surf
Roar
Calm Mind
Rest

Forretress
Leftovers
Impish
252 HP, 66 Atk, 192 Def
Counter
Explosion
Rapid Spin
Spikes

Slaking: I prefer CB Dugtrio myself. Arena Trap. But Slaking would work fine too I guess. Blissey will switch out though. Slaking is all about prediction. But yours is fine.

Blaziken: Fire Blast is better than Overheat in most cases, since it has only base 20 less power and doesn't reduce Special Attack. Sometimes you might have to use ti twice. I don't know why you have HP EVs though. Blaziken will die if anything neutral or super effective hits him anyway.

Venusaur: When I use this guy I usually put a few EVs into Attack. But still, if it's there to stall, no need I suppose.

Jirachi: My favourite Jirachi is the one that has Calm Mind, Psychic, Wish and Thunder Wave. I never figured out how to use Doom Desire anyway. Weird move. But if you say it works, I'll take your word for it.

Suicune: The moveset is fine, but go for bold nature, 252 Defence, 160 Special Defence and 96 Special Attack. Maxing out defences usually do better than maxing out HP. And if you want to survive a Leaf Blade, Thunderbolt or something then the best option is to have some Special Defence EVs as you Calm Mind, so you'll ahve a higher survival rate to begin with. Since Suicune doesn't boost Defence, Bold and max Defence EVs help it survive a lot better against physical attacks than a few HP EVs will. It can survive all Choice Band hits too, unless it's something like critical hit Medicham Focus Punch or something. Most people just Roar those out anyway.

Forretress: Nice, I like it. Something different to boring old Skarmory anyway.

Nice team.

On 18-Oct-2006 Fwank said:

that team = dusclops rape

surprisingly, the only thing that could screw dusclops over is that jirachi @_@ good one JX (cookies for jirachi i guess)

... *swoosh*

edit: maybe add in a special sweeper... skarmory is always a nicer albeit cliched alternative to forretress, the poor fella's crap against mcgar and cyclops... oh u cud change his moves around a bit i guess...

OMG FWANK.

Hi. =P

lol

I've had a change of heart, N_D. Rate this.

Swampert
Earthquake
Surf
Ice Beam
Rollout/Rockslide/Return

Manectric
Crunch
Thunder
Thunderbolt
? ? ?

Cacturne
Needle Arm
Spikes
Leech Seed
Giga Drain

Metagross
Psychic
Shadow Ball
Metero Mash
? ? ?

Blaziken
Blaze Kick
Thunderpunch
Sky Uppercut
? ? ?

Salamence
Aerial Ace
Dragon Claw
Iron Tail
Crunch

On 18-Oct-2006 CaoRen said:

I've had a change of heart, N_D. Rate this.

Swampert
Earthquake
Surf
Ice Beam
Rollout/Rockslide/Return

Manectric
Crunch
Thunder
Thunderbolt
? ? ?

Cacturne
Needle Arm
Spikes
Leech Seed
Giga Drain

Metagross
Psychic
Shadow Ball
Metero Mash
? ? ?

Blaziken
Blaze Kick
Thunderpunch
Sky Uppercut
? ? ?

Salamence
Aerial Ace
Dragon Claw
Iron Tail
Crunch

this my rating

swampert:leftovers
surf
ice beam
earthquake
rock slide or if u hav tutor problems try if return culd hlp

manectric:leftovers(try this set) i perfer jolteon
thunderbolt
hidden power(ice/grass)battle keclen for the type
thunder wave
any thing u want

cacturne well i dont kno about cacturne so let n_d help

metagross:leftovers
meteor mash
shadow ball
explosion(move tutor at pacifilog)
earthquake

blaziken:leftovers
sword dance or bulk up(if tutor problems)
flamethrower for in-game or use fire blast for competive play
rock slide/earthquake
sky upper cut or if u want brick break

salamence:leftovers or choice band is u hav all physical attacks
dragon dance
dragon claw/aerial ace
earthquake
rock slide


« Last edited by los angles323 on Oct 18th 2006 »

On 18-Oct-2006 Fwank said:

that team = dusclops rape

surprisingly, the only thing that could screw dusclops over is that jirachi @_@ good one JX (cookies for jirachi i guess)

... *swoosh*

edit: maybe add in a special sweeper... skarmory is always a nicer albeit cliched alternative to forretress, the poor fella's crap against mcgar and cyclops... oh u cud change his moves around a bit i guess...

OMG, Fwank

Lol, Your a quality rater god damn it now stay!

...Or else no cookie for you =D

Cacturne...one of those pokemon who have crazy attack stats but sacrifice a lot of defense...
If you like attacking, then go for:
Needle Arm/Giga drain
Faint Attack
Leech Seed
Pref. Hidden power: electric, but Attract works well.
Be carefull when using leech seed, cos Cacturne won't really stand a hit. Attract helps negate a few attacks. You can also make use of both STABS here.

Hmm interesting, giving Explosion to metagross...I think Agility would work better there. But that's just netbattle...

Jirachi X: your slaking, if you're choice banding, Brick Break preobably would be the better option rather than Focus punch. And because of Truant, Hyper beam would be very destructive especially if Choice banded. And shadow ball and brick break and earthquake can cover the other types Hyper beam can't take care of. And your Jirachi is nice, 60% chance of paralisys isn't something you can joke about. Your tanks suicune is nice, but with toxic, it'll be even nicer. You can replace calm mind. You can pulla toxishuffle, which involves toxix and roar, so eventually most your opopnent's pokemon are toxiced. And your blaziken, Substitute will work much better than endure. Substitue away until your hp is low, and by that time you should get a few dances, and then reversal away.

« Last edited by en_ryu on Oct 19th 2006 »

On 18-Oct-2006 CaoRen said:

I've had a change of heart, N_D. Rate this.

Swampert
Earthquake
Surf
Ice Beam
Rollout/Rockslide/Return

Manectric
Crunch
Thunder
Thunderbolt
? ? ?

Cacturne
Needle Arm
Spikes
Leech Seed
Giga Drain

Metagross
Psychic
Shadow Ball
Metero Mash
? ? ?

Blaziken
Blaze Kick
Thunderpunch
Sky Uppercut
? ? ?

Salamence
Aerial Ace
Dragon Claw
Iron Tail
Crunch

Swampert: The fourth move should be Rock Slide, if not, Return. Avoid Rollout, seriously, Rollout sucks.

Manectric: Keep Thunderbolt and Crunch, the other two moves should be Hidden Power [Ice] and Thunder Wave. Hidden Power [Grass] is also a good option if you prefer Grass attacks to Ice. To find out your Hidden power, test ona Kecleon. Save beforehand. If it's not one you want, turn off the game, teach Hidden power again and repeat until you get one (hopefully with a good base power).

Cacturne: This is one of the pok�mon I'm a bit behind on. Never looked into this guy, to tell the truth. If I had one with you moveset, I would replace Giga Drain with Hidden Power [Dark] or something like Focus Punch.

Metagross: Keep Shadow Ball and Meteor Mash, the other two moves should be Explosion and Earthquake. Psychic isn't nescessary, since Metagross has awesome Attack power. Make full use of his physical strength. Agililty can be an option over Shadow Ball, but that works better in Netbattle.

Blaziken: Blaziken should be:

Swords Dance
Sky Uppercut
Rock Slide
Flamethrower/Fire Blast (only use Fire Blast in competitive play)

DO NOT use Earthquake instead of Rock Slide. Rock Slide benefits him far better than Earthquake and all of his weaknesses that Earthquake can beat can be beaten better by Sky Uppercut because of STAB. Rock Slide is for problems such as Flying types. If you can't get Swords Dance on him, go for Bulk Up. It works a lot more slowly, but can help get his below average Defence up and sometimes survive some non-STAB Super Effective physical moves. He'll probably die before he gets it up enough though. There's no helping his Special Defence. Also, Brick Break can be considered an option over Sky Uppercut of you dislike 90% accuracy. But with Blaziken needs to kill or be killed so power is preferred. Thunderpunch is actually a good option if you want a Special Attacking version, but best stick to mine.

Salamence: The best Salamence would be:

Dragon Dance (breed)
Hidden Power [Flying]/Aerial Ace
Rock Slide
Earthquake

Physical sweeper. I prefer Gyarados and Tyranitar myself as Dragon Dancer but this guy works fine. You have to breed for Dragon Dance I'm afraid. But it's worth it in the end. If you don't fancy breeding then give it a Choice Band and give it Flamethrower or Fire Blast (only for competitive play though). That would be for killing physical walls.

JX: lol i think maggy's the least of your worries as forretress... i DID mention dusclops was right? (i trust he's stil the cliched utility poke going around on bnet, if not then that's another story...

RJ: just lol

TKL: =( ... but i want a cookie...

ryu: about the suggestions you've made - calmcune > toxiccune (even tho they're supposably the same thing) realising removing calm mind = losing out on your special tankiness (which makes cune vulnerable to regular super effectives) last time i checked blaze sucks with sub, onli good for that one STAB-subpunch, and even then there are better candidates to do be a one-trick-pokemon than blaze in this instance

cacturne: my ingame cacturne uses grasswhistle for lack of a better disable... but... leech seed + spikes just hurts, if u pair that up with ingrain... then fill the last with anything ya want (sandstorm? altho i'd rather add t-tar to the party and have a rock/ground party instead) also homo with sandstorm/doubleteam/leechseed, too bad none of these work in game: evasion fails when the game thinks its losing

...

i want a cookie

rate plz(all in 75's im training)

blaziken:leftovers
flamethrower
rock slide
sky uppercut
bulk up

gengar:leftovers
psychic
shadow ball
thunder wave
confuse ray

gyarados:leftovers
dragon dance
HP flying
earthquake
surf

dragonite:shell bell/leftovers
dragon dance
earthquake
substitute
focus punch

armaldo:choice band
earthquake
rock slide
HP bug/aerial ace
brick break

raikou:leftovers
calm mind
thunder bolt
crunch
HP grass


« Last edited by los angles323 on Oct 19th 2006 »

On 19-Oct-2006 en_ryu said:

Cacturne...one of those pokemon who have crazy attack stats but sacrifice a lot of defense...
If you like attacking, then go for:
Needle Arm/Giga drain
Faint Attack
Leech Seed
Pref. Hidden power: electric, but Attract works well.
Be carefull when using leech seed, cos Cacturne won't really stand a hit. Attract helps negate a few attacks. You can also make use of both STABS here.

Hmm interesting, giving Explosion to metagross...I think Agility would work better there. But that's just netbattle...

Jirachi X: your slaking, if you're choice banding, Brick Break preobably would be the better option rather than Focus punch. And because of Truant, Hyper beam would be very destructive especially if Choice banded. And shadow ball and brick break and earthquake can cover the other types Hyper beam can't take care of. And your Jirachi is nice, 60% chance of paralisys isn't something you can joke about. Your tanks suicune is nice, but with toxic, it'll be even nicer. You can replace calm mind. You can pulla toxishuffle, which involves toxix and roar, so eventually most your opopnent's pokemon are toxiced. And your blaziken, Substitute will work much better than endure. Substitue away until your hp is low, and by that time you should get a few dances, and then reversal away.

Actually, Focus Punch is better than BB because against other normls, return is doing more damage to normals than it and Focus Punch does about 54 ~ 93 (Depending on EV spread). And with Hyper Beam, you can't switch after it is used, leaving way for a huge dent on Slaking' HP whist I can't do jack, where as with Return, you can switch away.
With Suicune, i'd rather get calm minded up and go from there, rather than toxishuffle. I'd rather my opponents paralysed.
And with Blaziken, i'd rather it be on 1HP, as opposed to being dead before it can do jack (Swords Dance is just there for when I go up against weaker opponents I know I can survive).

On 19-Oct-2006 Fwank said:

JX: lol i think maggy's the least of your worries as forretress... i DID mention dusclops was right? (i trust he's stil the cliched utility poke going around on bnet, if not then that's another story...

RJ: just lol

TKL: =( ... but i want a cookie...

ryu: about the suggestions you've made - calmcune > toxiccune (even tho they're supposably the same thing) realising removing calm mind = losing out on your special tankiness (which makes cune vulnerable to regular super effectives) last time i checked blaze sucks with sub, onli good for that one STAB-subpunch, and even then there are better candidates to do be a one-trick-pokemon than blaze in this instance

cacturne: my ingame cacturne uses grasswhistle for lack of a better disable... but... leech seed + spikes just hurts, if u pair that up with ingrain... then fill the last with anything ya want (sandstorm? altho i'd rather add t-tar to the party and have a rock/ground party instead) also homo with sandstorm/doubleteam/leechseed, too bad none of these work in game: evasion fails when the game thinks its losing

...

i want a cookie

Nar, Dusclops gone off the radar nowdays, I have had a few run ins with him though, but as stated before, hes no where near as common.

« Last edited by Jirachi X on Oct 20th 2006 »

On 19-Oct-2006 los angles323 said:

rate plz(all in 75's im training)

blaziken:leftovers
flamethrower
rock slide
sky uppercut
bulk up

gengar:leftovers
psychic
shadow ball
thunder wave
confuse ray

gyarados:leftovers
dragon dance
HP flying
earthquake
surf

dragonite:shell bell/leftovers
dragon dance
earthquake
substitute
focus punch

armaldo:choice band
earthquake
rock slide
HP bug/aerial ace
brick break

raikou:leftovers
calm mind
thunder bolt
crunch
HP grass

Blaziken: Great. Even better if you could get Swords Dance instead of Bulk Up, but it doesn't matter much if you can't.

Gengar: He doesn't have the defences to run around confusing and paralysing stuff. Keep Psychic and Shadow Ball, replace the other two with Thunderbolt and Ice Punch/HP [Ice]. Go for HP [Ice] only if you don't have the tutor access.

Gyarados: Replace Surf with Return. Gyarados has pretty poor Special Attack. And Return can be used to hit stuff that Earthquake and HP [Flying] won't do much to. Although if you really must have another STAB move on him, then go for Hydro Pump. Sure it's got less PP and Accuracy, but it's the only Water move he'll do much with. I advise Return though, since it'll also make full use of Dragon Dance.

Dragonite: I like it.

Armaldo: HP [Bug]. Then it's perfect.

Raikou: Needs Substitute, but fine if you've already used the tutor. HP [Ice] works better than HP [Grass] but no need to change it. If you keep Crunch, it should take care of Celebi and friends. Although if you want to beat Dragons down like cream puffs HP [Ice] is advised. I suppose it would be better to switch into Gengar though. If you can get Substitute, replace Crunch with it and replace HP [Grass] with HP [Ice] and you should have no problem. Almost nothing can resist Ice + Electric you see. Substitute is there to make up for Raikou's poor Defence and help him survive against physical attacks. Chances are, your opponent will switch into something with Earthquake or a strong physical attacker. With Substitute Raikou can get an extra Calm Mind in at least, and have a better chance of killing the opponent.

Okay, I'm going back into team rating. Instead of shadow ball, a move not needed as much anymore, he can use something like hypnosis (you'd better hope it hits though). Return lol.

Gyarados @leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
Nature: Adamant (doesn't matter ingame though)
- Aerial Ace (because it's friggin hard to get HP ingame)
- Dragon Dance (alternate set: Thunder)
- Earthquake (alternate Set: Surf / hydro pump)
- Filler / Rock Slide (alternate: Blizzard / Ice Beam)
[color:red]If you choose alternate set once, you must use the alternate set in ALL slots[/color]

Armaldo is fine lol, Its REALLY hard to get HP: Bug

Grass is for swamp that rai can't kill without, ice is for flygon. Whichever one works fine in my opinion. But yes, it needs subby- even ingame.