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Dialga_355 Posted at: 19:15 Aug23 2007 Post ID: 1867390
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I say Kyogre.It has high Special Attack and Special Defense.Groudon has low special attack and low special defense.One Water attack that is not Physical will beat it.
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v-gamer Posted at: 19:19 Aug23 2007 Post ID: 1867398
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This...REALLY should be Emerald, even in Ruby or Sapphire.
I say that someone should move this.
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Dialga_355 Posted at: 20:47 Aug23 2007 Post ID: 1867717
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I guess you could.
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DIALGAandPALKIA#1 Posted at: 20:58 Aug23 2007 Post ID: 1867749
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This forum should be moved but i say groudon because it can
use solorbeam without taking 2 turns and kill kyogre.

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ace rrrock! Posted at: 21:54 Aug23 2007 Post ID: 1867870
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kyogre because its better because his sp att and sp def are better then Groudon and even thought groudons att and def are beter the solar beam it needs is a special attack...
plus if kyogre is sent out second then it takes two turns for solarbeam to charge


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razorpoint Posted at: 22:14 Aug23 2007 Post ID: 1867907
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Kyogre because kyogre is freaking awesome!
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SCUM_OF_THE_EARTH Posted at: 07:00 Aug24 2007 Post ID: 1868451
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Kyogre. Even though Groudon has Solarbeam and can use it in only one turn, chances are it won't kill Kyogre because of its high Special Defence. Its Special Attack is nice as well.

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Riku994 Posted at: 07:26 Aug24 2007 Post ID: 1868464
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I say Groudon because he can use fire moves...lol


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shadow slayer Posted at: 10:15 Aug24 2007 Post ID: 1868745
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Both of them, I couldn't pick! they bth PWN!
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v-gamer Posted at: 11:49 Aug24 2007 Post ID: 1869105
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Kyogre because...well like 10 people already said it...
High special attack and special defense.
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max gamer Posted at: 17:40 Aug24 2007 Post ID: 1870582
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Groudon as it has fissure a one hit ko move
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steelers3221 Posted at: 22:40 Aug24 2007 Post ID: 1871222
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Well this is always a no win topic because whoevers ability is in effect will most likely win... With Groudon having a not so good Sp Def a surf plus rain dance I am sure will kill it... but Groudon's Swords Dance plus EQ takes just about every pokemon out in the game that it can hit... Also Kyogre has a low Defense so for that it favors Groudon... I say they both are just amazing and you really can't choose between the 2 when going heads up... I think that is what the designer wanted that anyways considering also that they both have the same base speed... I am more of a Groudon fan honestly though with Swords Dance + EQ it is pretty lethal no matter who you face...

Also, Max Gamer Kyogre learns Sheer Cold but with only a 30% chance of hitting both moves are not usually used

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SCUM_OF_THE_EARTH Posted at: 22:57 Aug24 2007 Post ID: 1871264
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Kyogre has Sheer Cold aswell don't forget Max Gamer.
I'd pick Kyogre over Groudon anyday.

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Master Volthawk Posted at: 23:06 Aug24 2007 Post ID: 1871279
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Ah, I remember being part of a discussion as this before...

Now, what I'm saying here is completely one on one, which means no switching out or anything.

If Kyogre is slower than Groudon, then its Drizzle ability will take effect, making it easy for Kyogre to OHKO Groudon with a decent Water attack, though a Calm Mind may be necessary before that...

However, even if Kyogre is faster than Groudon, meaning Groudon's Drought ability will take effect over Kyogre's Drizzle, then regardless, Kyogre can still use Ice Beam (and Calm Mind. <_<).

On Groudon's side, however, weather will not matter for its advantage, though rain will make Kyogre's Water-type attack much stronger. Groudon would likely only need to use Swords Dance and Earthquake at Kyogre to wipe it out. Solarbeam is wasted on Groudon due to its low Special Attack (and Kyogre's high Special Defense), even if Drought were to have taken the later effect.

And finally, Fissure and Sheer Cold are for the fail. <_<

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v-gamer Posted at: 20:47 Aug26 2007 Post ID: 1877311
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^^ ...?

Okay, it actually depends on the order of the pokemon being sent out. If your opponent had Groudon and you had Kyogre, I think their Groudon would have the battle with their Drought. I THINK, not too sure.

Kyogre would be good with: Calm Mind, Surf, Ice Beam, Thunder.
Groudon would be [okay] with: Sword Dance, Earthquake, Rock Slide, Hidden Power (bug).

With Kyogre's moveset, he can take out Groudon with Ice Beam even if Groudon's effect is applied.
With Groudon's moveset, his best bet is probably Hidden Power (bug) because HP grass would be counted as a special attack. I'd go with Rock Slide/Earthquake, though.

I THINK!!

Meh, Kyogre pwns Groudon any time, any day.
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Master Volthawk Posted at: 20:53 Aug26 2007 Post ID: 1877336
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"Okay, it actually depends on the order of the pokemon being sent out. If your opponent had Groudon and you had Kyogre, I think their Groudon would have the battle with their Drought. I THINK, not too sure."

If they were both sent out at the same time, which was what I implied in my scenario, whichever one were slower would have their effect last. In other words, if Kyogre were slower than Groudon, when they would be released, the weather would be rainy. And if Groudon were slower than Kyogre, vice-versa.

And I doubt just one Ice Beam out of Kyogre would kill Groudon.

All in all, Kyogre does have better odds, though Groudon still does have a chance against Kyogre.
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v-gamer Posted at: 16:26 Aug31 2007 Post ID: 1889356
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Ah, I see what you mean now.

Since Ice Beam doesn't have the STAB on Kyogre, it is unlikely that it will be able to take Groudon out, but Kyogre WILL have Groudon out before he can do much damage at all to him.

...I think?
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SakameUchiha Posted at: 17:19 Sep02 2007 Post ID: 1894388
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Weeeeeeeeeeeell, anyway, I have no idea, they both pwn, Kyogre is Specials and Groudon is Physicals. So I like 'em both.
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Bluestorm01 Posted at: 16:40 Sep03 2007 Post ID: 1896920
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I say Kyogre cause his rain bringing ability supports him better than Groudon's sun bringing ability. Really it's about who's slower. Kyogre dries up like a fish in the sun and Groudon gets washed away in the rain.
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atroxletum Posted at: 10:38 Sep14 2007 Post ID: 1912480
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I think that while Kyogre looks better Groudon is really better because of the ability to use solarbeam without charging and because of fissure and its just plain awesome

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