Super Smash Bros. General Character discussion.

This is the topic where debating the pros and cons of various characters will be held. As all the spotlights are now complete, any unsolved squabbles may be carried out here. The topic is very versatile, and I'd advise it if you try not to change the subject by force "guys what do you think of X character?" when we're discussing Lucas's advantages over Ness and vice versa. The topic will eventually flow over to new characters on it's own. Now, seeing as this is almost a little forum in itself, lets lay down some rules:

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Simply to start;

Marth's advantages over Ike anybody?

I find speed, combo-ing ability (I don't mean chain grabbing. More commonplace comboing such as juggling is very useful), and aerial dominance to be some strengths of Marth's, while Ike has a decent amount of power for a one hit wonder every now and then. Comments? Concerns? Begin. (I'd love to several more paragraphs, but I've really got to go...)

I think the biggest area Marth beats Ike in is the whole, Ike has terrbile lag in his moves, in that time you coulda ripped out a 3 move combo with Marth.

Not excally i have beaten people using Marth while i use Ike

Thats fantastic. We don't care if you've got nothing other to say than that. If you hadn't read the rules, doing so may be beneficial. You could have beaten a toddler who used Marth for all we know. Back up your claims why Ike is better. This topic is for discussion, not whatever the hell you call what you're doing right now.

Marth and Ike's style are rather much the opposite of each other. Marth goes for the swift, rapid swipes so with him, a strategy of constant attack is best. Ike, on the other hand, is one best for setting up, since his strength can cause some serious punishment if his opponent makes a wrong move. Marth can easily out manover Ike and get a good load of hits in while he's readying one, but if Marth makes a bad move, he might not last long.

Marth in general though, is a great character. He has some incredibly reliable moves (Dancing Blade is a key move for me using Marth), some decent smash moves and good speed. My one concern for Marth is the alteration to his Shield breaker. In Melee, I found the move incredibly useful for edgeguarding, yet I find it really hard to use it for that now.

marth>ike...why?

marth has the superior aerial game,faster smashes,better spike,better counter,and slightly better recovery

I do have a question for you guys,why is king dedede rated so high in brawl?Ithink he is way to big of a target and also has a lot of lag in his moves,despite that people are still saying he is one of the top 5 characters in brawl

Sorry adam i wasn' paying attention lol
THe main reason in my opion why he is up so high is his recover and that you can sit back and spam his Forward special which can actually kill somebody but i don't think he should be high more of a middle since he is slower then hell and is easy to spike when he is recovering

On 29-Oct-2008 guy in oakland said:

marth>ike...why?

marth has the superior aerial game,faster smashes,better spike,better counter,and slightly better recovery

I do have a question for you guys,why is king dedede rated so high in brawl?Ithink he is way to big of a target and also has a lot of lag in his moves,despite that people are still saying he is one of the top 5 characters in brawl

Because...

Super advanced techniques are fun.

On 30-Oct-2008 King of Hell said:

Because...

Super advanced techniques are fun.

I use sonic,shiek,marth and link i mite use others but dedede isnt that good so y is he top 5 i can understand marth but dedede dos not make sense beat me with him then i will agree he is alright but not top 5

t-21 posting more than once is not allowed,although I wont delete the quote you had

change in topic:what do you think of meta knight,a lot of epople want the guy banned for tourneys because of how broken he is

t-21 first post will be delted since it has no relavence to the topic and GIO to many people complain bc they have nothing else to do

Try not to force the change in topic. Let it change on it's own.

Meta Knight isn't bad. I don't like him personally, but I think he's fun to play against... I don't put much faith in what the tournament organizers say, seeing as they ban items and stages simply because they don't think they can win on them or with them... Idiocy at it's finest.

That is right personally i could care less who people use i have seen people get beat by a DK player by using people like MK because the DK can get things such as spikes and timed power hits

I think it's stupid how tourneys ban charcaters, if that is how it goes we may as well ban Sonic for his speed, Ganon and Ike for their power, and Falco for his spike, honstly.

Let's ban ever character that can beat Fox, and we may as well have a tournament. I personally think tournaments are stupid, simply because of the narrow mindedness of people that play using "competitive rules". I absolutely hate it.

Also... People, just to make sure: Are you calling it a spike out of ignorance, or are you deliberately using a term that doesn't exist? I can link you to the page where the head of production calls it a Meteor Smash (the official term) if you don't believe me...

I myself like the term spike more than meteor smash,but either will do really

I know it's called a Meteor Smash it's just that if you say meteor smash alot of people have no freakin clue what your talking about.

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On 01-Nov-2008 King of Hell said:

Let's ban ever character that can beat Fox, and we may as well have a tournament. I personally think tournaments are stupid, simply because of the narrow mindedness of people that play using "competitive rules". I absolutely hate it.

Also... People, just to make sure: Are you calling it a spike out of ignorance, or are you deliberately using a term that doesn't exist? I can link you to the page where the head of production calls it a Meteor Smash (the official term) if you don't believe me...

Dude, whats the big deal about what it's called? It's the same move, doesn't kill the game calling it something differant, why complain about what some people call it? Americans don't yell at Britains for using the words 'chips' for what they call 'french fries' do they?

Back to what the topic was before KoH forced a change, Meta Knight is the only character to be banned from tournaments...only in Italy though. Anywhere else he's legal to use but Meta Knight in Italian tournaments is illegal.

« Last edited by Cervantes De Leon on Nov 13th 2008 »

People find MK too fast and furious. He can gimp recoveries like you-don't-know-what. But the AI are always dumb wih him for me...kinda off topic though; he Dimensional Caped into a FalconPAWNCH.
Now MK is also light, meaning he can get KO'ed at around 50% by Ganondorf or Ike. All of his specials leave him free-falling if he uses them in the air. I personally don't have a problem with him, yet some people hate him.
MORAL:No character is the best. Deal with it.

Completely agree with you there. Meta Knight can be deadly in the hands of an expert, but one mistake could send him flying incredibly easily. Good thing he's got the excellent recovery abilities he has.