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Post ID: 1513887 Posted at: 12-Apr-2007 14:06:36
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What do you think?
I think the han army would win.....

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Post ID: 1590604 Posted at: 12-May-2007 13:48:49
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Yes, because their swords and spears would of course completely pwn the modern Chinese armies machine guns, tanks, nuclear weapons etc.

Seriously. Not meaning to be rude, but what kind of a question is that?
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Post ID: 1598893 Posted at: 16-May-2007 14:57:59
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A very good one if you ask me!lol

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Post ID: 1600818 Posted at: 17-May-2007 13:39:08
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Well, no, not really. Maybe the Han had better soldiers, but the modern Chinese have 1800 years of technological development on their side, which includes the second biggest nuclear arsenal in the world. It's a no-brainer, really.
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Post ID: 1600828 Posted at: 17-May-2007 13:51:35
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I noticed this topic, and while I know virtually nothing about the Han army, I do know that NO army from 200AD could take down the modern Chinese army. It would be a massacre, not a battle.
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Post ID: 1600835 Posted at: 17-May-2007 13:57:06
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Also bear in mind that, at this stage, the Han empire was crumbling, and it's army was basically led by a bunch of idiots who got there either by noble birth (viz. Yuan Shao) or through marrying the right people (viz. He Jin).
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Post ID: 1615292 Posted at: 24-May-2007 14:21:52
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Lol,You have a point there though....But If you think about it The Han(I didn't say this before...but i meant the 3 kingdoms army)
But i think It would It would be pretty close,Since Tatics are much stronger in those days,Also they had archers and they had knowledge.Plus they Had guns (Not proper)....I think they was called crossbows...I can't remember...And explosives.

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Post ID: 1615387 Posted at: 24-May-2007 15:06:20
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They didn't have guns. Or bombs. Dynasty Warriors is NOT historically accurate. Look, the modern Chinese have tanks, planes, machine guns, missiles... in short, any ancient army would just get cut down in 30 seconds flat.
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Post ID: 1631385 Posted at: 31-May-2007 19:50:28
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Shadow_Lord, I have to disagree with you on the bomb situation. Sure, their arsenal may not have included guns, but they did have bombs. And not the really large ones either, why would you bomb the battle field with atomic bombs, destroying the enimies, and you with them? Whats more is the "Nuclear bombs" you spoke of, now, that's insane. Why would you nuke a civil war? That's just stupid.
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Post ID: 1632237 Posted at: 01-Jun-2007 12:58:52
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Who said civil war? No one. Admittedly, in a civil war situation, you would right - a nuclear strike would be pointless. But if it was outside China... well, since I highly doubt the modern army would be lined up in neat little rows - or, indeed, be anywhere in a 12-mile radius - a nuclear strike would make sense. OK, so admittedly every other nation in the world would get ****** off at China for doing this (particularly whichever sorry country got the bomb/bombs detonated in its territory), but in the short term, it would be a decent solution. And I believe we're only talking short term here anyway.

As for the Han having bombs: well, yes, they did, but they lacked the means to fire them over long distances. Plus they weren't powerful enough to do anything to a modern army, particularly since no modern army would be in any sort of closely packed formation, so due to the small blast radius, and bombs the Han had would only kill one or two soldiers. This is even assuming they could get in range to properly utilise the bombs.

Besides, it's irrelevent; even if you discount nuclear weapons, modern China's technology could still easily trump anything the Han had. Machine guns would cut their troops to ribbons if nothing else. To summarise, to stand even a ghost of a chance, the Han would have to do the following:

First:
1) Surprise the modern Chinese. This is vital.
While they still have the element of surprise:
2) Kill any and all Chinese military leaders.
3) Find a way to sabotage all their heavy military equipment.
4) Find a way to disperse the remaining Chinese armed forces.
Then:
5) Use superior numbers and tactics to crush each pocket of resistance one by one.

Now, on each of those stages, a hell of a lot of things could go wrong. And even if everything went perfectly, I imagine the Han army would still end up decimated.
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Post ID: 1641085 Posted at: 06-Jun-2007 13:59:03
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Heh,That will be funny if they did let a nuclear strike...sorta' becausethat's like beating yourself up!lol

Plus,China was the ones Who made gun powder....I think before the Han,I can't remember.Infact Screw up what i just saidIt was made in 142A.D. by a guy called wei boyang...i think

Quoted from Wiki "Zhuge Liang launched five Northern Expeditions against Cao Wei, but all except one failed, usually because his food supplies ran out rather than failure on the battlefield."

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zhuge liang 4-Sima yi 1

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Post ID: 1641123 Posted at: 06-Jun-2007 14:22:53
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chinese army wud totally anhilate the han army because,

1)theyve got machine guns.
2)theyve got tanks.
3)theyve got planes.
4)theyve got WMDs.

Even tho the han had explosives they would be no match for a challenger 2 tanks armour and its 105mm cannon and if they could get close enough to throw the bomb the tanks 50.cal machine gun would put like 750 bullets into them or the cannon would blow them out of china!
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Post ID: 1641124 Posted at: 06-Jun-2007 14:23:41
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So what if they had gunpowder? Modern China have machine guns, which will cut any tight-packed formation of troops to ribbons in seconds. Besides, even though the Chinese did have gunpowder then, true, they just used for things like rockets, which a) probably weren't used in battle and b) were notoriously inaccurate even when they were. They certinaly dind't have guns if that's what you're thinking.

About the Simay Yi vs. Zhuge Liang point... it's the wrong thread, but what the heck, I'll reply to it here. So what if he only ran out of food? Still means he didn't plan his long-term strategy well enough. And besides, those aren't victories for him. If he'd had more food, he might still have lost. They could be called draws at best. Really, they're still Wei victories; after all, when it comes down to it, does it really matter if Wei crushed Shu on the battlefield or just wore them down and eventually exhausted their supplies? Wei still kept their territroy. So, more accurate scoreboard:

Zhuge Liang - 1
Sima Yi - 4
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Post ID: 1641128 Posted at: 06-Jun-2007 14:24:30
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On 06-Jun-2007 rossyboi567 said:
chinese army wud totally anhilate the han army because,

1)theyve got machine guns.
2)theyve got tanks.
3)theyve got planes.
4)theyve got WMDs.

Even tho the han had explosives they would be no match for a challenger 2 tanks armour and its 105mm cannon and if they could get close enough to throw the bomb the tanks 50.cal machine gun would put like 750 bullets into them or the cannon would blow them out of china!

Finally, another person who's seen the blindingly obvious! Welcome to the forum. =)

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Post ID: 1641346 Posted at: 06-Jun-2007 15:57:45
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It means that if he ran out of supplies he can't fight otherwise he would have died along with his army

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Post ID: 1641417 Posted at: 06-Jun-2007 16:33:20
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Yes, but my point is that Sima Yi managed to extend the campaigns long enough so that he ran out of supplies, didn't he? Anyway, please keep on topic.
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Post ID: 1642474 Posted at: 07-Jun-2007 09:50:19
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The battle Was Quite short you know....-_-

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Post ID: 1642746 Posted at: 07-Jun-2007 13:44:46
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Which battle are we referring to here?
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Post ID: 1644279 Posted at: 08-Jun-2007 09:50:30
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I can't honestly remember but i know there was one,Since i don't actually know what all the battles was...

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Post ID: 1644374 Posted at: 08-Jun-2007 11:12:57
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Well, if it was short, and he ran out of supplies, that seems to indicate poor preparation on his part, doesn't it?
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