Supercheats Unofficial Tier List (Third Draft)

toon link again above lucario

ive shown many arguments and proof on why toon link is better

On 17-Jun-2008 Dozin26 said:

Yeah i agree this seems to be the best we can agree on but I still have a lot of reasons about fox being at least as good as falco.
Falcos negatives:
bad aerials
bad grabs
bad shine
lots of lag on many attacks
Foxes positives:
good for combos
good nsmash
good, powerful, aerials
good, powerful, usmash
blaster great for camping and can edgeguard
fox can sorta of spike
down B used for changing opponets direction and for slowing descent a lot
great fair
shining!
great side b
fast and quick, fastest directional change in the game, falls fast
smashes come out quick and are powerful
refelcts projectiles
reflector has good damage
fair and fox illusion helpful on recoveries
smashes have stopping power
great combo in dair+usmash
meteor smash
nair and fair edgeguarders and are virtuall lagless

How does falco have bad aerials I have Ko so many people and computors in the air using falco
also falco down b can stop combos foxes can't

On 17-Jun-2008 Dozin26 said:

Yeah i agree this seems to be the best we can agree on but I still have a lot of reasons about fox being at least as good as falco.
Falcos negatives:
bad aerials
bad grabs
bad shine
lots of lag on many attacks
Foxes positives:
good for combos
good nsmash
good, powerful, aerials
good, powerful, usmash
blaster great for camping and can edgeguard
fox can sorta of spike
down B used for changing opponets direction and for slowing descent a lot
great fair
shining!
great side b
fast and quick, fastest directional change in the game, falls fast
smashes come out quick and are powerful
refelcts projectiles
reflector has good damage
fair and fox illusion helpful on recoveries
smashes have stopping power
great combo in dair+usmash
meteor smash
nair and fair edgeguarders and are virtuall lagless

Bad grabs? Falco pretty much has a 50% headstart because of chaingrabs. He has hardly any lag on attacks.

only attacks he lags on are his blaster and reflector

falco is better than fox and majority agrees

falcos cahingrab is davastating

samus over pikachu
lucario over toon link
fox over falco

On 18-Jun-2008 pok_u_2_death said:

samus over pikachu
lucario over toon link
fox over falco

Tell me how Fox is over Falco
and lucario over TL

Wow poke thats messed up

Samus Over Pikachu
Toon Link is 100 times better than lucario
Falco over Fox

On 18-Jun-2008 PokemonDiamond40 said:

Wow poke thats messed up

Samus Over Pikachu
Toon Link is 100 times better than lucario
Falco over Fox

Agree, falco has a much better side smash move, as well as much better airial moves, not to mention his gun.....I'm not even going to go on untill you give us reasons why fox is better then falco.

toon link over luc (agree with pd, he should be higher)
samus over pika
falco over fox.

« Last edited by marielue5 on Jun 18th 2008 »

On 18-Jun-2008 PokemonDiamond40 said:

toon link again above lucario

ive shown many arguments and proof on why toon link is better

But there is also plenty of support for lucario.
And fine I guess falco can stay were he is.
Samus definatley over pikachu.

On 19-Jun-2008 Dozin26 said:

But there is also plenty of support for lucario.
And fine I guess falco can stay were he is.
Samus definatley over pikachu.

seriously pd we and dozin have given way more on lucario than u have on tl

really dont care about fox/falco

Samus over pikachu

it really is a little 2 late but i dont want to finish this tier list without upgrading yoshi

Sorry for my absence.

Can anybody perhaps sum up the changes in my original tier list? Not sure I will be able to keep track of everybody.

What you havent you barely showed 2 posts defending lucario

amjority prefers toon link

ive even posted videos

ok TL is better than lucario Tl had better arieals better recover a wider range of attack

I'm completely against Wolf being in the top upper tier. The reasons that I'm about to give have also been given by quite a few other players (some of them in this thread), and will more than likely agree with me.

Wolf has a very abusive (Spammy) smash attack. Have you actually seen how far it's range is?

His blaster is HIGHLY spammable. Not much else you need to know about it.

I'm not going to argue about where he should be placed, but I'll aruge on where he SHOULDN'T be placed.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1dLE2ibi2gM

lucario doesnt have ranged specials but his smashes have much larger range than tl. he has much better specials because non of tls specials are very good. lucario can chaingrab. lucario has fastest rolls in the game. lucario has some of the strongest throws in the game.

not to mention the almighty more damage more range and power.



heres a yoshi vid if thats still up for disscussion...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yYLbJZt2fOg


« Last edited by pok_u_2_death on Jun 19th 2008 »

On 19-Jun-2008 Ryuzaki said:

I'm completely against Wolf being in the top upper tier. The reasons that I'm about to give have also been given by quite a few other players (some of them in this thread), and will more than likely agree with me.

Wolf has a very abusive (Spammy) smash attack. Have you actually seen how far it's range is?

His blaster is HIGHLY spammable. Not much else you need to know about it.

I'm not going to argue about where he should be placed, but I'll aruge on where he SHOULDN'T be placed.

you right i mean personally I think falco is better than him because of the blaster
and falco's recover is better than wolf's
if you spike with wolf you pretty much die
if you spike with falco you have a good chance of recovering
falco has better aerials

On 19-Jun-2008 PokemonDiamond40 said:

What you havent you barely showed 2 posts defending lucario

amjority prefers toon link

ive even posted videos

The support is basically evenly split between TL and Lucario.
Me and poke have actually given more reasons in favor of lucario than you have for TL. You posted one seventeen second video, so dont act like youve been convincing in that department.

plus i just posted a 3 minute video...

p.s. john: we are debating toon links and lucario, fox and falco, falco and wolf, and , i know it's probably 2 late, but i want to debate the upgrading of yoshi to a higher tier.
Hope i helped.

« Last edited by pok_u_2_death on Jun 19th 2008 »

k u want bigger proof

here u go

http://www.youtube.com/watc...xNpybHI0

show me a HALF DESCENT lucario vid if theres even ONE

Pro chat

http://www.youtube.com/watc...=related

they were asked who the top people were
'
first answer was Marth and MK

Later they said Toon Link

in the whole vid they didnt mention lucario

other characters such as olimar, diddy kong, king de de de, mr game and watch were talked about

but no lucario

« Last edited by PokemonDiamond40 on Jun 20th 2008 »