Supercheats Unofficial Tier List (Third Draft)

On 22-Jun-2008 pok_u_2_death said:

just because more people like toon link doesnt matter

just because more people play as toon link doesnt make him better
that just shows that lucario is better because hes harder 2 master

That isn't true I have barley seen anyone play as DK and that doesn't mean he is harder to master it is the fact that DK sucks

On 22-Jun-2008 pok_u_2_death said:

just because more people like toon link doesnt matter

just because more people play as toon link doesnt make him better
that just shows that lucario is better because hes harder 2 master

it does


here are facts

Majority of people like toon link
In tourneys Toon Link goes further than Lucario

PROS say Toon Link is top not lucario

Vids show how great toon link is


The people decide wether 1 character is better than the other'

now what Majority of matches show are

every forum thats making a tier list has toon link in either top or relly high tier while ive seen in other tier lists that lucario is middle or bottom high

which again shows a majority of people using toon link

yet in matches you see how awesome toon link is

all the different combos he can make cause he is

Fast
Amazing Aerials
Amazing recovery

Toon Link can recover from Fox's know down smash at percentages over 300%

toon link has greater recovery

Tether
His up b goes really high and kills
i can stay vulnerable in the edge and I'd still edgeguard lucario cause his recovery doesnt even Hit
and bomb jump
toon link spikes
toon link has amazing edgeguarding (thanks to tether recovery)
he has basically marths aerials which are awesome
he combos really well

Since toon link is so floaty its really hard to kill him

Its obvious that Toon Link is better than lucario and you cant think of anything else to say that some characters are harder to master than others

WRONG

as you can see a perfect example the whose your worst character people all have different characters

Some people said they sucked with marth

Its up to the person and their playstyle


Toon Link FTW!!

« Last edited by PokemonDiamond40 on Jun 22nd 2008 »

Diddy Kong above kirby
Diddy has:
a better KO potential
better combos
his banana's
3 ways to spike
faster
stronger

toon link ****
floaty and light making him easy 2 ko

projectiles have no power watsoever

missing with throw has horrible lag

smashes are decent at best

tilts arent very good



lucario rocks

slow faller which is great for combos

down air is great finisher and slows his decent

can chaingrab

down throw is great combo starter

arials come out with no lag

up tilt comes out fast and covers all around lucario

counter hits them on the ground good for recovery

lucario has great combos, short hop + down air = awesome

fastest roll in the game

the more ur hurt the more damage u do

great recovery (u can curve it)

if being edgeguarded u can stick to the wall and dj up ( i know hes not the only one who can do it)

d smash comes out quickly





wow that took a long time to type

On 22-Jun-2008 pok_u_2_death said:

toon link ****
floaty and light making him easy 2 ko

projectiles have no power watsoever

missing with throw has horrible lag

smashes are decent at best

tilts arent very good



lucario rocks

slow faller which is great for combos

down air is great finisher and slows his decent

can chaingrab

down throw is great combo starter

arials come out with no lag

up tilt comes out fast and covers all around lucario

counter hits them on the ground good for recovery

lucario has great combos, short hop + down air = awesome

fastest roll in the game

the more ur hurt the more damage u do

great recovery (u can curve it)

if being edgeguarded u can stick to the wall and dj up ( i know hes not the only one who can do it)

d smash comes out quickly





wow that took a long time to type

ur kidding toon links smash are awesome

down smash racks ALOT of damage

Up smash is ok

forward smash kills at 120%

projectiles no damage!!

one boomerang and arrow deals 12% damage

now boomerang arrow arrow bomb u got like 30% there


not to mention bombs are great for keeping ur opponent far

and toon link can shoot 2 arrows in one jump!



im afraid you dont know what you are talking about



lucarios counter has to be the worst counter ive seen

its the only counter you can actually dodge cause its so SLOW

lucarios recovery is awful, its real easy to edgeguard cause it deals no damage

down smash quick? oh please that i a hell of a slow smash


Ok note: you called this a combo :short hop down air

Thats a MOVE
a combo is a fluid number of strikes that deal out a finisher

short hop down air is not a combo!!



Now you said uve given mnore stuff defending lucario

well you havent

you say im the only one defending toon link

look pages back lots of people have been defending toon link



Now to fully make you eat your words

http://www.youtube.com/watc...GaTrbvWM

regarding lucarios chaingrab

1) varies with character small detail
2) ONLY WORKS AT LOW PERCENTAGES!!!!

« Last edited by PokemonDiamond40 on Jun 22nd 2008 »

On 22-Jun-2008 pok_u_2_death said:

toon link ****
floaty and light making him easy 2 ko

projectiles have no power watsoever

missing with throw has horrible lag

smashes are decent at best

tilts arent very good



lucario rocks

slow faller which is great for combos

down air is great finisher and slows his decent

can chaingrab

down throw is great combo starter

arials come out with no lag

up tilt comes out fast and covers all around lucario

counter hits them on the ground good for recovery

lucario has great combos, short hop + down air = awesome

fastest roll in the game

the more ur hurt the more damage u do

great recovery (u can curve it)

if being edgeguarded u can stick to the wall and dj up ( i know hes not the only one who can do it)

d smash comes out quickly





wow that took a long time to type

Just because TL is floaty doesn't make him easyer to KO

his arrow at full power does 11%

Boomernge does 5 or 6%

His bomb does 9%

and is that you best excuse that TL grab has lag

TL can't be edgeguarded that well

He has better combos than Lucario

His grabs are better

His areials are better

His smashes are better

He can spike

TL has a tether recovery

TL has better recovery

unless you get Lucario into the 200% in damage TL is faster and stronger than lucario

How is use his conunter a good recover if you do it in the air he pretty much dies

How does the fact that lucario falls slower make a difference

« Last edited by Aether13 on Jun 22nd 2008 »

On 22-Jun-2008 PokemonDiamond40 said:

ur kidding toon links smash are awesome

down smash racks ALOT of damage

Up smash is ok

forward smash kills at 120%

projectiles no damage!!

one boomerang and arrow deals 12% damage

now boomerang arrow arrow bomb u got like 30% there


not to mention bombs are great for keeping ur opponent far

and toon link can shoot 2 arrows in one jump!



im afraid you dont know what you are talking about



lucarios counter has to be the worst counter ive seen

its the only counter you can actually dodge cause its so SLOW

lucarios recovery is awful, its real easy to edgeguard cause it deals no damage

down smash quick? oh please that i a hell of a slow smash


Ok note: you called this a combo :short hop down air

Thats a MOVE
a combo is a fluid number of strikes that deal out a finisher

short hop down air is not a combo!!



Now you said uve given mnore stuff defending lucario

well you havent

you say im the only one defending toon link

look pages back lots of people have been defending toon link



Now to fully make you eat your words

http://www.youtube.com/watc...GaTrbvWM

regarding lucarios chaingrab

1) varies with character small detail
2) ONLY WORKS AT LOW PERCENTAGES!!!!

PD his forward smash kills at like 70 if you hit both parts

On 22-Jun-2008 PokemonDiamond40 said:

it does


here are facts

Majority of people like toon link
In tourneys Toon Link goes further than Lucario

PROS say Toon Link is top not lucario

Vids show how great toon link is


The people decide wether 1 character is better than the other'

now what Majority of matches show are

every forum thats making a tier list has toon link in either top or relly high tier while ive seen in other tier lists that lucario is middle or bottom high

which again shows a majority of people using toon link

yet in matches you see how awesome toon link is

all the different combos he can make cause he is

Fast
Amazing Aerials
Amazing recovery

Toon Link can recover from Fox's know down smash at percentages over 300%

toon link has greater recovery

Tether
His up b goes really high and kills
i can stay vulnerable in the edge and I'd still edgeguard lucario cause his recovery doesnt even Hit
and bomb jump
toon link spikes
toon link has amazing edgeguarding (thanks to tether recovery)
he has basically marths aerials which are awesome
he combos really well

Since toon link is so floaty its really hard to kill him

Its obvious that Toon Link is better than lucario and you cant think of anything else to say that some characters are harder to master than others

WRONG

as you can see a perfect example the whose your worst character people all have different characters

Some people said they sucked with marth

Its up to the person and their playstyle


Toon Link FTW!!

No I know tons of people who play as lucario the majority does not like toon link.
Even if they are pros, just because four people like toon link doesnt make him better.
And I dont see the point of your video.
As for your other videos, the first one was good but perverted, and for the second one, I watched an eight minute video just to see him barely metioned.
And it really doesnt matter, because THEY ARE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER, so who cares?

it does because TL should atucally be in top

well the point of the tier list is to make it as accurate as possible thats why toon link should be above lucario

Many people agree on this

not just pros other forums as well

purposes of vids

1st vid, pros opinion that toon link is better

other 2 vids: toon links awesomeness in combos

3rd vid: proving poke that lucario cant chaingrab

No toon Link shouldnt be top

but High tier above lucario



Suggestions:


Toon Link above Lucario

proven many times by many people

Samus over Pikachu

Many people agreed, KOH says pikachu should be higher


« Last edited by PokemonDiamond40 on Jun 22nd 2008 »

Am I late? Sorry PD


Put an end to this. I am an awesome Toon Link player. And its obvious that a Hero of Time would go in front of a fox...but I suppose I can give facts.

Jah see.

Toon Link owns lucario
-Toon Link is a lighter. Therefor making aerial strikes WAAAY better then any character.
-Because of that Toon Link can be the perfect adge guard.
- Toon Link has perfect smashes that own lucario in any way
- Toon Links Recovery is easy to use and deals damage
-Toon Link is a Soul Survivor. He can survive just about anything.
-He can tetter recover (Use his clawshot) to get to the edge and avoid a spike or a normal hit.
-Toon Link has 3 different Projectiles which can all be used in 1 combo and deal massive damage.
- His arrows alone own almost all projectiles
-He has a shield in front. That ends this arguement.
-He can spike
- And he has a green Hat. It can also be blue and others! And...unfortunately...purple

Lucario is trash compared to TL
-He has 1 recovery. Wow. It doesnt deal damage. WOW
-Someone could hang on the edge as lucario tries to recover and he'll fail. WOWZERS!
- His smashes are trash.
- He is super slow
- He cant spike to save Pikachu
- He has 1 projectile and you gotta charge it
- He is ugly

Done

« Last edited by Flamedrario on Jun 22nd 2008 »

On 22-Jun-2008 Flamedrario said:

Am I late? Sorry PD


Put an end to this. I am an awesome Toon Link player. And its obvious that a Hero of Time would go in front of a fox...but I suppose I can give facts.

Jah see.

Toon Link owns lucario
-Toon Link is a lighter. Therefor making aerial strikes WAAAY better then any character.
-Because of that Toon Link can be the perfect adge guard.
- Toon Link has perfect smashes that own lucario in any way
- Toon Links Recovery is easy to use and deals damage
-Toon Link is a Soul Survivor. He can survive just about anything.
-He can tetter recover (Use his clawshot) to get to the edge and avoid a spike or a normal hit.
-Toon Link has 3 different Projectiles which can all be used in 1 combo and deal massive damage.
- His arrows alone own almost all projectiles
-He has a shield in front. That ends this arguement.
-He can spike
- And he has a green Hat. It can also be blue and others! And...unfortunately...purple

Lucario is trash compared to TL
-He has 1 recovery. Wow. It doesnt deal damage. WOW
-Someone could hang on the edge as lucario tries to recover and he'll fail. WOWZERS!
- His smashes are trash.
- He is super slow
- He cant spike to save Pikachu
- He has 1 projectile and you gotta charge it
- He is ugly

Done

But res I have one tince problem with ur comment you forgot to add that his green hat can be purple and TL can spike

Your quite right KM. Edited

ur kidding right?

u people keep stating the same reasons over and over

when do cosrumes count in a tier list...

lucario can edge guard 2

if being edgehogged he can stick to wall and double jump up\

On 23-Jun-2008 pok_u_2_death said:

ur kidding right?

u people keep stating the same reasons over and over

when do cosrumes count in a tier list...

lucario can edge guard 2

if being edgehogged he can stick to wall and double jump up\

No I was I wasn't kidding

and it also seems like you keep saying the same thing over and over again

ok everyone can edge guard

if someone edgehogged him and he used his recover he can't stick to the wall

On 23-Jun-2008 pok_u_2_death said:

ur kidding right?

u people keep stating the same reasons over and over

when do cosrumes count in a tier list...

lucario can edge guard 2

if being edgehogged he can stick to wall and double jump up\

really? are u serious

ive given

different videos
different peoples opinion
different statements each time


and all u say is that we say same stuff


apparently u understood the whole edgeguard thing wrong

so lemme put it in simple words i got edge, u are under me try to recover, fail cause no damage

u on edge i under u, i succeed cause toon links up b does damage giving me chance to get ledge


point proven once again


u cant double jump if ur kicked out of field only 1 jump if you actually knew that

pd is constantly pointing out differentthings
but it seems aether and flamedrario are just repeating what u are saying


i play tl 2 i know that he is not as good as lucario

i've posted just as much as u

Nobody cares. At all. If their evidence is convincing enough and you're just post dodging it the whole time like an idiot, then they can feel free to do it as many times as they like. If they aren't, then they need a braincell.

We can resolve this argument really simply and well. I give a fresh start. Both sides present their argument to me, both having previously agreed that my word shall stand until further disputed with evidence that can penetrate my flawless arguments, and both knowing that all motions I've made regarding tiers have been generally accepted as truth. There will be no bias (Marth player here, remember), and I'll pitch forth a good argument using information that I will gather on the character that wins my vote now...

tl;dr You tell me why who's better, and my word goes.

Agreed? Good. Lucario's side first, preferably.

my whole argument


slow faller which is great for combos

down air is great finisher and slows his decent

can chaingrab

down throw is great combo starter

arials come out with no lag

up tilt comes out fast and covers all around lucario

counter hits them on the ground good for recovery

lucario has great combos, short hop + down air = awesome

fastest roll in the game

the more ur hurt the more damage u do

great recovery (u can curve it)

if being edgeguarded u can stick to the wall and dj up ( i know hes not the only one who can do it)

d smash comes out quickly

plus a vid
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1dLE2ibi2gM

Alright, one post per argument please. Toon Link side, if you will.